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Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment
AR15/10 Rifles
the 5.56 vs 308 debate
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<blockquote data-quote="battlestick" data-source="post: 644863" data-attributes="member: 31425"><p>16" AR for me. </p><p> </p><p>In a real world SHTF - no zombies or crap - scenario, I will not be like you. I will not be out "sniping" people off. </p><p> </p><p>I will be hunkered down in my bug out location and any engagemets I have will be in a defensive type scenario. ie. Someone trying to come in to my location. Be it for food, shelter, to talk, rape, mame, kill, no matter. You get in, or try, and you eat lead. This range requires fast follow ups, and the more ammo between mag changes the better, bad guys run in packs.</p><p> </p><p>If you are out kicking in doors, the odds are against you living as long. My objective is to live and to protect my family. Keeping out of sight, not creating a bunch of noise (like picking 'em off from the roof at 300 yds) is your best defense.</p><p> </p><p>SHTF = Katrina, Tornadoes, Flooding, Rodney King riots, etc. To defend yourself and your family when the SHTF is one thing, to be out picking them off at long range smells like a good murder charge when order is restored. Real snipers do use 308, and larger calibers.....Are they on the offensive, or defensive?</p><p> </p><p>Sorry one more thing...You mentioned penetration of barriers. I personally think you need to investigate the effectiveness of a 223 projectile against common barriers that would arise in a SHTF scenario. You will be very surprised what non-milsurp ammo will penetrate, and how well it will do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="battlestick, post: 644863, member: 31425"] 16" AR for me. In a real world SHTF - no zombies or crap - scenario, I will not be like you. I will not be out "sniping" people off. I will be hunkered down in my bug out location and any engagemets I have will be in a defensive type scenario. ie. Someone trying to come in to my location. Be it for food, shelter, to talk, rape, mame, kill, no matter. You get in, or try, and you eat lead. This range requires fast follow ups, and the more ammo between mag changes the better, bad guys run in packs. If you are out kicking in doors, the odds are against you living as long. My objective is to live and to protect my family. Keeping out of sight, not creating a bunch of noise (like picking 'em off from the roof at 300 yds) is your best defense. SHTF = Katrina, Tornadoes, Flooding, Rodney King riots, etc. To defend yourself and your family when the SHTF is one thing, to be out picking them off at long range smells like a good murder charge when order is restored. Real snipers do use 308, and larger calibers.....Are they on the offensive, or defensive? Sorry one more thing...You mentioned penetration of barriers. I personally think you need to investigate the effectiveness of a 223 projectile against common barriers that would arise in a SHTF scenario. You will be very surprised what non-milsurp ammo will penetrate, and how well it will do. [/QUOTE]
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