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<blockquote data-quote="greenejc" data-source="post: 2399458" data-attributes="member: 60453"><p>Of course I do. So does anyone else, and inside about 600 yards, its nearly the same windage for the higher BC as it is for the lower, even at the same MV. A deer and a man have about the same kill zone. The front of the chest to the back of the chest and back to bottom of chest on a deer or the top of chest(neck) to lower chest and shoulder width on a man are about 18". So a hit inside a 15" circle kills. The target can't tell that the bullet drifted or dropped two or three inches more than planned due to poor BC. Its still dead or down. And I don't mostly shoot the 'high BC' bullets. I'm quite happy with Speer, Hornaday, Sierra and Nosler. If the Corelokt was still cheap, I'd be using that for practice. As for windage, I use a Shepherd scope and dial the reticule over, while using the stadia line for elevation. I can hit consistently at distances out to 900 and 1,000 yards with it, and practice at distance when I can find a place to do so. I've been shooting for about 55 years, both in and out of the army and in Eastern Europe, the Far East and the Near East, along with the Mid-West and the High Plains with rifles and pistols of various calibers and teaching both basic and advanced marksmanship to soldiers and civilians for around 35 years or so. I know most of the Sniper Training and Employment manual by heart. Carlos Hathcock, Chris Kyle and Billy Dixon are my heroes. I had to study max ords, be able to construct range fans for improvised ranges in the field (Saudi and other places) and know how far a Bradley or tank round would go if fired by accident at a certain elevation, how far to figure a danger zone for small arms, including the .50 Cal. MG, and what the max ord was because of possible overflights by aircraft. I use a range finder in canyon country like Crawford because distances there are deceptive, but I don't require it, because I've been doing this in rough terrain for a very long time, and have expended a couple of hundred thousand rounds of both mine and the Army's ammunition at targets both inanimate and living. I did it for a living. I also did it to stay alive. You get good and maybe really lucky when the alternative is getting dead. I didn't get dead, or wounded and I didn't lose any men. My youngest brother got dinged a couple times, but he was in the stuff more than me, and ran with the funny green hat guys. He has four boy scout badges from them, including medic, explosives and sniper. Back to your question: I practice in the wind, usually with a spotter, and learn both actual drop and wind drift by actually shooting the rifle/load/bullet combination until I can hit at a given distance. I don't guess when I can shoot under real world conditions, both at the range and in the field. I don't worry about BC on paper. I shoot the round and see what the drop/drift is at the altitude and wind conditions where I'm hunting. I find out what the 'beaten area' of the load is at distance, and determine if it is small enough to give a better than 90% hit in the 12" kill zone on my target at the distance I'm going to shoot. I minimize my guess work. I learned to do that a very long time ago, and it kept me alive because it let me be accurate when it was real. I shoot hundreds of practice rounds at small targets at distance for every round I launch at game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="greenejc, post: 2399458, member: 60453"] Of course I do. So does anyone else, and inside about 600 yards, its nearly the same windage for the higher BC as it is for the lower, even at the same MV. A deer and a man have about the same kill zone. The front of the chest to the back of the chest and back to bottom of chest on a deer or the top of chest(neck) to lower chest and shoulder width on a man are about 18". So a hit inside a 15" circle kills. The target can't tell that the bullet drifted or dropped two or three inches more than planned due to poor BC. Its still dead or down. And I don't mostly shoot the 'high BC' bullets. I'm quite happy with Speer, Hornaday, Sierra and Nosler. If the Corelokt was still cheap, I'd be using that for practice. As for windage, I use a Shepherd scope and dial the reticule over, while using the stadia line for elevation. I can hit consistently at distances out to 900 and 1,000 yards with it, and practice at distance when I can find a place to do so. I've been shooting for about 55 years, both in and out of the army and in Eastern Europe, the Far East and the Near East, along with the Mid-West and the High Plains with rifles and pistols of various calibers and teaching both basic and advanced marksmanship to soldiers and civilians for around 35 years or so. I know most of the Sniper Training and Employment manual by heart. Carlos Hathcock, Chris Kyle and Billy Dixon are my heroes. I had to study max ords, be able to construct range fans for improvised ranges in the field (Saudi and other places) and know how far a Bradley or tank round would go if fired by accident at a certain elevation, how far to figure a danger zone for small arms, including the .50 Cal. MG, and what the max ord was because of possible overflights by aircraft. I use a range finder in canyon country like Crawford because distances there are deceptive, but I don't require it, because I've been doing this in rough terrain for a very long time, and have expended a couple of hundred thousand rounds of both mine and the Army's ammunition at targets both inanimate and living. I did it for a living. I also did it to stay alive. You get good and maybe really lucky when the alternative is getting dead. I didn't get dead, or wounded and I didn't lose any men. My youngest brother got dinged a couple times, but he was in the stuff more than me, and ran with the funny green hat guys. He has four boy scout badges from them, including medic, explosives and sniper. Back to your question: I practice in the wind, usually with a spotter, and learn both actual drop and wind drift by actually shooting the rifle/load/bullet combination until I can hit at a given distance. I don't guess when I can shoot under real world conditions, both at the range and in the field. I don't worry about BC on paper. I shoot the round and see what the drop/drift is at the altitude and wind conditions where I'm hunting. I find out what the 'beaten area' of the load is at distance, and determine if it is small enough to give a better than 90% hit in the 12" kill zone on my target at the distance I'm going to shoot. I minimize my guess work. I learned to do that a very long time ago, and it kept me alive because it let me be accurate when it was real. I shoot hundreds of practice rounds at small targets at distance for every round I launch at game. [/QUOTE]
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