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<blockquote data-quote="CatShooter" data-source="post: 1172" data-attributes="member: 7"><p>Warren... a scolding for your scolding, and I agree/disagree (How's that for an anbiguous start?).</p><p></p><p>Back in the dark ages, when I started shooting, I did a number of tests on the Matchkings that I was using on varmints... used wet news paper at first. Then, when I was employed in the firearms field, I had access to 20% "jello".</p><p></p><p>It was an interesting time for me... I was 20-ish, and the learning curve was very steep (sometimes like a brick wall!).</p><p></p><p>The little .224, and .243 SMK's would come apart in a predictable way in both the wet paper, and the jello... but in the field, they were all over the place.</p><p></p><p>I am now thinking back some 30+ years to a 16 pound greyback chuck that was shot dead center at 80 yards by my shooting companion, using a .222Mag, and the still made 52 gr HPBT. Terminal energy would be around 1100 fp, and velocity would be about 3,100fps.</p><p></p><p>It fell over with little "X's" in it's eyes, and when we examined it, we found one tiny pencil sized hole in the skin. I thought that it was the entrance hole, until the shooter said it was on the wrong side of the critter... and after about 5 minutes of looking through the hair, we found a "dot" in the skin that looked like an ice pick wound... the bullet hade gone straight through, without opening up a bit... it was nerve damage that brought the animal down.</p><p></p><p>The point of this is that one can shoot all the Jello, sawdust, wet dirt, whatever, and still have little predictable knowledge what will happen on game.</p><p>When letting loose on a medium or large game animal, the path can be through simple flesh (with maybe an air chamber), or it can encounter 2" to 5" of solid bone first... with this kind of variables set, there is little that the shooter will ever learn about the bullet, and the best info may be had on forum like this one, where the results of many shooters can be pooled, and picked over.</p><p></p><p>CatShooter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CatShooter, post: 1172, member: 7"] Warren... a scolding for your scolding, and I agree/disagree (How's that for an anbiguous start?). Back in the dark ages, when I started shooting, I did a number of tests on the Matchkings that I was using on varmints... used wet news paper at first. Then, when I was employed in the firearms field, I had access to 20% "jello". It was an interesting time for me... I was 20-ish, and the learning curve was very steep (sometimes like a brick wall!). The little .224, and .243 SMK's would come apart in a predictable way in both the wet paper, and the jello... but in the field, they were all over the place. I am now thinking back some 30+ years to a 16 pound greyback chuck that was shot dead center at 80 yards by my shooting companion, using a .222Mag, and the still made 52 gr HPBT. Terminal energy would be around 1100 fp, and velocity would be about 3,100fps. It fell over with little "X's" in it's eyes, and when we examined it, we found one tiny pencil sized hole in the skin. I thought that it was the entrance hole, until the shooter said it was on the wrong side of the critter... and after about 5 minutes of looking through the hair, we found a "dot" in the skin that looked like an ice pick wound... the bullet hade gone straight through, without opening up a bit... it was nerve damage that brought the animal down. The point of this is that one can shoot all the Jello, sawdust, wet dirt, whatever, and still have little predictable knowledge what will happen on game. When letting loose on a medium or large game animal, the path can be through simple flesh (with maybe an air chamber), or it can encounter 2" to 5" of solid bone first... with this kind of variables set, there is little that the shooter will ever learn about the bullet, and the best info may be had on forum like this one, where the results of many shooters can be pooled, and picked over. CatShooter. [/QUOTE]
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