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<blockquote data-quote="gray wolf" data-source="post: 272310" data-attributes="member: 15129"><p>My head is starting to spin with all the recommendations here. (getting dizzy)</p><p> </p><p><u><strong>Redding small base dies</strong></u></p><p> </p><p>small base, full length sizing die --there are three types, one is a bushing die, one is a standard die with expander ball and one is a body and shoulder bump die with no decapping rod. They are made for tight chambered guns or gas guns, OR custom chambers.</p><p>You say your rifles shoot good with the loads that you have. Well how good is good? are they different powders with different grain Wt's. and different bullets. Also how have you sized them before?</p><p>It sounds like you want to turn your buckets of brass into universal one size fits all. I am starting to disagree with this type of hand loading . </p><p>I will tell you why. If you have worked up loads for each of your rifles and found what each one likes and also the most accurate--well then that's </p><p>hand loading Eh. That's what we do it for at least thats why I do it.</p><p>Custom load for each rifle. </p><p>Well let me bring a little guy into the picture called head space. How are you going to control it for each rifle doing it the way you suggest?</p><p>At best I think you will reduce your cases back to someplace near factory dimensions--perhaps a little bigger. Again one size fits all. Your loads that you have worked up for each gun may suffer from this. Think about it--all your chambers are different all the head space is different --how can they possibly all work the same in different chambers. Yes you will wind up some way with rounds that fit all the guns but your achievement may --I say may end there.</p><p>Do you shoot that many rounds that each rifle needs that many?</p><p>At the risk of getting you mad I would say that looking at all that bass is possible overwhelming you. I would decide how many I wanted loaded for each rifle and dedicate them to that rifle. I would sit with the brass and try each one in one rifle at a time. The ones that fit would go in one pile</p><p>( you still don't know ware you are with head space) only that they fit.</p><p>The ones that didn't fit would go into a different pile. when I have enough for that rifle I would take the cases that didn't fit and start sizing them and trying them in that rifle with the fire control group out of the bolt </p><p>( remove fire- ing pin ). That will give you a true feel of how the bolt is closing.</p><p>If you adjusted your die only a little you will still have some cases that will be hard to chamber and they will need a little more sizing, and so it goes until you have what you want. That will give you cases that will be close to that chamber--not perfect but close. once fire formed they would stay with that gun. I as in me would repeat that for each rifle and label the cases and keep them separated. If you are concerned with having a lot of ammo in case of a </p><p>well you fill in the rest, Then take the rifle you depend on and concentrate on that. I again as in me, can't in good conscious recommend any other way.</p><p><strong>There are many ways to open a Pop bottle-Some will get you a cold drink in your mouth and some will get you a little glass.</strong></p><p>Sounds like a hell of a-lot of work --depends on what you are looking for.</p><p><strong>I am only trying to help here and told you what I would do. It may make sence to you and it may not</strong></p><p> </p><p>GW.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I would treat the rifle with the oversized chamber as a separate issue.</p><p>With dedicated dies for it.</p><p> I could be wrong here but if you have cases that are tite because of the web area being to big--</p><p>well wouldn't you have to go all the way into the S/B die to size that area? and wouldn't that be also bumping the shoulder? also if the die has an expander ball and you take it out the necks are going to be very small . You will have a job to open them back up, even in a collet die.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gray wolf, post: 272310, member: 15129"] My head is starting to spin with all the recommendations here. (getting dizzy) [U][B]Redding small base dies[/B][/U] small base, full length sizing die --there are three types, one is a bushing die, one is a standard die with expander ball and one is a body and shoulder bump die with no decapping rod. They are made for tight chambered guns or gas guns, OR custom chambers. You say your rifles shoot good with the loads that you have. Well how good is good? are they different powders with different grain Wt's. and different bullets. Also how have you sized them before? It sounds like you want to turn your buckets of brass into universal one size fits all. I am starting to disagree with this type of hand loading . I will tell you why. If you have worked up loads for each of your rifles and found what each one likes and also the most accurate--well then that's hand loading Eh. That's what we do it for at least thats why I do it. Custom load for each rifle. Well let me bring a little guy into the picture called head space. How are you going to control it for each rifle doing it the way you suggest? At best I think you will reduce your cases back to someplace near factory dimensions--perhaps a little bigger. Again one size fits all. Your loads that you have worked up for each gun may suffer from this. Think about it--all your chambers are different all the head space is different --how can they possibly all work the same in different chambers. Yes you will wind up some way with rounds that fit all the guns but your achievement may --I say may end there. Do you shoot that many rounds that each rifle needs that many? At the risk of getting you mad I would say that looking at all that bass is possible overwhelming you. I would decide how many I wanted loaded for each rifle and dedicate them to that rifle. I would sit with the brass and try each one in one rifle at a time. The ones that fit would go in one pile ( you still don't know ware you are with head space) only that they fit. The ones that didn't fit would go into a different pile. when I have enough for that rifle I would take the cases that didn't fit and start sizing them and trying them in that rifle with the fire control group out of the bolt ( remove fire- ing pin ). That will give you a true feel of how the bolt is closing. If you adjusted your die only a little you will still have some cases that will be hard to chamber and they will need a little more sizing, and so it goes until you have what you want. That will give you cases that will be close to that chamber--not perfect but close. once fire formed they would stay with that gun. I as in me would repeat that for each rifle and label the cases and keep them separated. If you are concerned with having a lot of ammo in case of a well you fill in the rest, Then take the rifle you depend on and concentrate on that. I again as in me, can't in good conscious recommend any other way. [B]There are many ways to open a Pop bottle-Some will get you a cold drink in your mouth and some will get you a little glass.[/B] Sounds like a hell of a-lot of work --depends on what you are looking for. [B]I am only trying to help here and told you what I would do. It may make sence to you and it may not[/B] GW. I would treat the rifle with the oversized chamber as a separate issue. With dedicated dies for it. I could be wrong here but if you have cases that are tite because of the web area being to big-- well wouldn't you have to go all the way into the S/B die to size that area? and wouldn't that be also bumping the shoulder? also if the die has an expander ball and you take it out the necks are going to be very small . You will have a job to open them back up, even in a collet die. [/QUOTE]
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