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<blockquote data-quote="Three44s" data-source="post: 1102181" data-attributes="member: 43573"><p>You can buy the Lee collet die all by itself but it's only a few dollars less than the collet set which includes a seater die.</p><p></p><p>Now one can argue that the lee seater is mediocre but I have loaded some pretty good rounds out of them ....... </p><p></p><p>But my favorite seater of the standard genre is the Hornady New Dimension ......... there are better seaters to be sure but the price is up there.</p><p></p><p>Now for the OP who is intending to load for just two calibers for the time being ....... extra money for dies is no big deal ........</p><p></p><p>........... for me, it's a different story ......... my load list has grown exponentially after I began barrel swapping on the Savage bolt guns and broke into the realm of Contenders!</p><p></p><p>Sidecarflip raises a great point: The inline seaters ........ I think another was Vickers? are pretty good ........ I think even RCBS makes one?</p><p></p><p>The OP asked about the Hornady single stage ........ there certainly would not be anything wrong with it ....... by necessity, I use the LNL on my AP. I do have an issue with the bushings working loose occasionally.</p><p></p><p>The Charge master has been brought up a number of times. I have an early one ..... a Pact built one if I am not mistaken.</p><p></p><p>I like mine but it is brought out for long runs of large cases ....... not smaller test batches or for small cased cartridges either.</p><p></p><p>I realize the OP is looking at the whole package of tools so here's a run down of what I favor:</p><p></p><p>I am a confirmed hand held tool user when it comes to priming ......... the standard RCBS hand held tool that uses RCBS shell holders is my tool of choice ..... my second is a bench mount one that's been out of production about as long as I have been loading .......... the Standard tool .... the one with the cam ......... it took me decades to run one down gets the nod for tougher seating jobs.</p><p></p><p>For case trimming, I have used the Lyman Universal .......... that's the one that does not use shell holders. My cutter gave up years ago and I was talked into buying the carbide cutter ........ good investment .......... it's still going strong after about 20 years.</p><p></p><p>Lately, I have been courting the Wilson tool and that's what I am moving towards for cartridges that I deem worthy of the added investment due to their inherrent accuracy.</p><p></p><p>For weighing powder, I believe in the mechanical scales ........ I own electronic scales to be sure but have run both styles long enough to know what is best for me .... and that's by and large mechanical units. Just today, I received a RCBS scale called the 5-10 ....... it's very similar to the Ohaus 505 that I have used since I was a kid but it has one very important upgrade: The "tenths" of a grain is regulated by a horizontal screw with vernier graduations.</p><p></p><p>My old 505 by contrast, uses a small piece of soft alluminum that precariously sits in a notch. I don't know how many times I have caught myself with the beam banging down as I remove the powder pan and charge of powder only to find my scale out of adjustment. It's only a few tenths of a grain but in a small case such as a .22 Hornet or a .38 special ...... tenths matter!</p><p></p><p>Now there has to be more to the electronic scales right? I mean, "hair splitting" consistency? What's not to like? Well, it goes something like this:</p><p></p><p>What I have found and read is that these E-scales have issues with a lot of normal stimuli, like a little puff of air or near by florescent lighting.</p><p></p><p>Hope you enjoy chewing on this!</p><p></p><p>Best regards</p><p></p><p>Three 44s</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Three44s, post: 1102181, member: 43573"] You can buy the Lee collet die all by itself but it's only a few dollars less than the collet set which includes a seater die. Now one can argue that the lee seater is mediocre but I have loaded some pretty good rounds out of them ....... But my favorite seater of the standard genre is the Hornady New Dimension ......... there are better seaters to be sure but the price is up there. Now for the OP who is intending to load for just two calibers for the time being ....... extra money for dies is no big deal ........ ........... for me, it's a different story ......... my load list has grown exponentially after I began barrel swapping on the Savage bolt guns and broke into the realm of Contenders! Sidecarflip raises a great point: The inline seaters ........ I think another was Vickers? are pretty good ........ I think even RCBS makes one? The OP asked about the Hornady single stage ........ there certainly would not be anything wrong with it ....... by necessity, I use the LNL on my AP. I do have an issue with the bushings working loose occasionally. The Charge master has been brought up a number of times. I have an early one ..... a Pact built one if I am not mistaken. I like mine but it is brought out for long runs of large cases ....... not smaller test batches or for small cased cartridges either. I realize the OP is looking at the whole package of tools so here's a run down of what I favor: I am a confirmed hand held tool user when it comes to priming ......... the standard RCBS hand held tool that uses RCBS shell holders is my tool of choice ..... my second is a bench mount one that's been out of production about as long as I have been loading .......... the Standard tool .... the one with the cam ......... it took me decades to run one down gets the nod for tougher seating jobs. For case trimming, I have used the Lyman Universal .......... that's the one that does not use shell holders. My cutter gave up years ago and I was talked into buying the carbide cutter ........ good investment .......... it's still going strong after about 20 years. Lately, I have been courting the Wilson tool and that's what I am moving towards for cartridges that I deem worthy of the added investment due to their inherrent accuracy. For weighing powder, I believe in the mechanical scales ........ I own electronic scales to be sure but have run both styles long enough to know what is best for me .... and that's by and large mechanical units. Just today, I received a RCBS scale called the 5-10 ....... it's very similar to the Ohaus 505 that I have used since I was a kid but it has one very important upgrade: The "tenths" of a grain is regulated by a horizontal screw with vernier graduations. My old 505 by contrast, uses a small piece of soft alluminum that precariously sits in a notch. I don't know how many times I have caught myself with the beam banging down as I remove the powder pan and charge of powder only to find my scale out of adjustment. It's only a few tenths of a grain but in a small case such as a .22 Hornet or a .38 special ...... tenths matter! Now there has to be more to the electronic scales right? I mean, "hair splitting" consistency? What's not to like? Well, it goes something like this: What I have found and read is that these E-scales have issues with a lot of normal stimuli, like a little puff of air or near by florescent lighting. Hope you enjoy chewing on this! Best regards Three 44s [/QUOTE]
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