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Short barrel 1000 yard elk cartridge
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<blockquote data-quote="Swiftkill" data-source="post: 2106887" data-attributes="member: 104167"><p>At some point it's not a matter of efficiency, it is physics or chemistry,,, you just can't burn enough powder to push the bullet fast enough. What do you think the muzzle flash is from? Unburnt powder. You may as well use a 308 win or 7mm 08, they are designed for short barrels and use 168 gr bullets in the 308. and whatever in 7mm mag (154?). You are going to have to calculate for drop. You SAS won't have a flat laser. They will kill elk if you place the bullet properly. You need the right tool for the job. And actually, this may actually be the job for the 6.5 Creedmoor! Finally, something useful the Creedmoor can handle!. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I think a 350 Rem mag is designed for short barrels if you want a bigger diameter bullet. </p><p></p><p>Personally, I think a 24" barrel for a 300 win mag is marginal. I built mine with a 26" barrel. Shorter than 24" may as well go to a 30/06 and dare I say a 308 because you can use a shorter lighter action. </p><p></p><p>LONG RANGE... is what you make of it! At some point the shooter will have to be capable with the tools at hand. </p><p>I can shoot prairie dogs with a 223 18" bbl at 500 plus yards, but its a hell of a lot easier with my 220 swift with a 26" bbl. </p><p>===========================</p><p>At the time of its introduction the .350 Remington had a short, fat case, similar to the current crop of short magnums except that the .350 carries a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belted_magnum" target="_blank">belt</a>. Its closest competitor, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.35_Whelen" target="_blank">.35 Whelen</a> was still just a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_cartridge" target="_blank">wildcat</a> from a necked-up <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06" target="_blank">.30-06</a>, so the .350 Rem was the most powerful .35 caliber around, and in a short cartridge that allowed the use in compact quick-handling rifles.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.350_Remington_Magnum#cite_note-ganda-3" target="_blank">[3]</a> However, gun writers and shooters of the time were not yet enamored of the <em>short-fat</em> concept as they are today, and they preferred the older longer .35 Whelen based on the .30-06 cartridge, even though it had, at best, similar performance in short barrels.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.350_Remington_Magnum#cite_note-chuck_350_35-4" target="_blank">[4]</a> Today the .350 Rem has had some improvement in acceptance, due to the shorter cartridge being able to fit in a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.308" target="_blank">.308</a> length action.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.350_Remington_Magnum#cite_note-chuck_35comp-5" target="_blank">[5]</a></p><p></p><p>Though the cartridge has great merit, it has never attained tremendous popularity. This is due in no small part to the rather vicious recoil produced when firing the cartridge from the lightweight Model 600 it was initially chambered in. The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_673" target="_blank">Model 673</a> and Model 7 so chambered are a full pound heavier at 7.5 lbs, and do better to mitigate recoil. Still, with the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield" target="_blank">.30-06 Springfield</a> being toward the upper end of what many shooters find tolerable in a 7-8 pound sporting rifle, the .350 Remington Magnum remains a bit of a niche cartridge with a small but dedicated following.</p><p></p><p>Maximum pressure for the .350 Remington is set at 53,000 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_units_of_pressure" target="_blank">CUP</a> by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAAMI" target="_blank">SAAMI</a>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Swiftkill, post: 2106887, member: 104167"] At some point it's not a matter of efficiency, it is physics or chemistry,,, you just can't burn enough powder to push the bullet fast enough. What do you think the muzzle flash is from? Unburnt powder. You may as well use a 308 win or 7mm 08, they are designed for short barrels and use 168 gr bullets in the 308. and whatever in 7mm mag (154?). You are going to have to calculate for drop. You SAS won't have a flat laser. They will kill elk if you place the bullet properly. You need the right tool for the job. And actually, this may actually be the job for the 6.5 Creedmoor! Finally, something useful the Creedmoor can handle!. :) I think a 350 Rem mag is designed for short barrels if you want a bigger diameter bullet. Personally, I think a 24" barrel for a 300 win mag is marginal. I built mine with a 26" barrel. Shorter than 24" may as well go to a 30/06 and dare I say a 308 because you can use a shorter lighter action. LONG RANGE... is what you make of it! At some point the shooter will have to be capable with the tools at hand. I can shoot prairie dogs with a 223 18" bbl at 500 plus yards, but its a hell of a lot easier with my 220 swift with a 26" bbl. =========================== At the time of its introduction the .350 Remington had a short, fat case, similar to the current crop of short magnums except that the .350 carries a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belted_magnum']belt[/URL]. Its closest competitor, the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.35_Whelen'].35 Whelen[/URL] was still just a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_cartridge']wildcat[/URL] from a necked-up [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06'].30-06[/URL], so the .350 Rem was the most powerful .35 caliber around, and in a short cartridge that allowed the use in compact quick-handling rifles.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.350_Remington_Magnum#cite_note-ganda-3'][3][/URL] However, gun writers and shooters of the time were not yet enamored of the [I]short-fat[/I] concept as they are today, and they preferred the older longer .35 Whelen based on the .30-06 cartridge, even though it had, at best, similar performance in short barrels.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.350_Remington_Magnum#cite_note-chuck_350_35-4'][4][/URL] Today the .350 Rem has had some improvement in acceptance, due to the shorter cartridge being able to fit in a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.308'].308[/URL] length action.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.350_Remington_Magnum#cite_note-chuck_35comp-5'][5][/URL] Though the cartridge has great merit, it has never attained tremendous popularity. This is due in no small part to the rather vicious recoil produced when firing the cartridge from the lightweight Model 600 it was initially chambered in. The [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_673']Model 673[/URL] and Model 7 so chambered are a full pound heavier at 7.5 lbs, and do better to mitigate recoil. Still, with the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield'].30-06 Springfield[/URL] being toward the upper end of what many shooters find tolerable in a 7-8 pound sporting rifle, the .350 Remington Magnum remains a bit of a niche cartridge with a small but dedicated following. Maximum pressure for the .350 Remington is set at 53,000 [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_units_of_pressure']CUP[/URL] by [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAAMI']SAAMI[/URL]. [/QUOTE]
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