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<blockquote data-quote="sable tireur" data-source="post: 1487991" data-attributes="member: 27307"><p>These conversations get more protracted as time goes on and other cartridges are added as exceptions. If you want to use the SA receiver you have already, choose the proper cartridge/bullet combination and go hunt. If you need or want an intermediate length action without all the milling out of your short action, use the Defiance XM action factory original magazine feed for cartridges with an overall length not to exceed 3.200"</p><p></p><p><a href="https://defiancemachine.com/actions/deviant/deviant-ultralight/" target="_blank">https://defiancemachine.com/actions/deviant/deviant-ultralight/</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Remember that you will be paying your gunsmith to mill out the bottom of your action to accept these boxes. He does not work for free. Then remember that this action is forever committed to this configuration.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>CFE-5 Magazine Box</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>[CFE-5]</strong></span></p><p></p><p>This box is designed as an extended length center feed box for the Rem. M-700 Short Action.</p><p></p><p>This box is for use with the WSM and RSAUM size cases. .284 cases will work as well. This box does not play well with standard size cartridge cases. IE .243, .308, etc.</p><p></p><p>These boxes are sold with an F-7 follower.</p><p></p><p>This box extends the O.A.L. of the ctg. approx. .110".</p><p></p><p>Outside length is 3.070". Inside length is 2.995".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE INTERNAL BOXES</strong></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: #ff0000">Mill magazine box mortice rearward as shown in (figure 1), just long enough for the extended box to fit.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Shorten face of bolt stop .110" (figure 2) to accomodate extra box length.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When fitting the magazine lips, bend the lips inward until it takes medium pressure to push the cartridge through them. When pushing the cartridges through the lips, make sure that the magazine lips do not contact the action rails. If allowed to do so, this will cause a bind during the loading process. If they do touch, correct this by lowering the top of the lips and bending them in farther.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This design is not of the in-line type. The cartridges will sit in the box staggard and will pop to center when pushed forward.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The extended boxes may or may not fit the factory bottom metal. The easiest cure is to relieve the back of the magazine box so it sits on top of the bottom metal instead of in the mortice. Most of our boxes are allready cut for this.___________________________________________________________</li> </ul><p>Otherwise, your next choice could very well be a Long Action with the bolt face of your choice. There is one being offered now for $335.00 with a trigger but no bottom metal. Yes, I'm aware that the bottom metal will increase the cost unless you use the ADL system and skip everything except the box, spring and follower.</p><p></p><p>The long action opens up the realm of standard bolt face cartridges as well as the magnum bolt face cartridges without any of the squishing necessitated by trying to cram a cartridge into a SA box using a longer VLD bullet.</p><p></p><p>I have used a 7mm RSAUM with the longer, heavier bullets (175 Berger VLD) in a standard SA box with excellent results in both accuracy and performance at distances in the 600+ yard range. No muss, no fuss, no mess. So whatever you read about the necessity of using an extended box or long action is simply not true, at least for this particular cartridge. We proved this during the development of the 6.5 GAP 4S, all short actions, all the time with excellent performance.</p><p></p><p>Step back and take some time to assess your situation and your hunting circumstances. Examine the choices available given the cartridge/bullet combinations to choose from. Then sleep on it. Wake up refreshed and get started with your project. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>Enjoy the process!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sable tireur, post: 1487991, member: 27307"] These conversations get more protracted as time goes on and other cartridges are added as exceptions. If you want to use the SA receiver you have already, choose the proper cartridge/bullet combination and go hunt. If you need or want an intermediate length action without all the milling out of your short action, use the Defiance XM action factory original magazine feed for cartridges with an overall length not to exceed 3.200" [URL]https://defiancemachine.com/actions/deviant/deviant-ultralight/[/URL] Remember that you will be paying your gunsmith to mill out the bottom of your action to accept these boxes. He does not work for free. Then remember that this action is forever committed to this configuration. [SIZE=6][B]CFE-5 Magazine Box[/B] [B][CFE-5][/B][/SIZE] This box is designed as an extended length center feed box for the Rem. M-700 Short Action. This box is for use with the WSM and RSAUM size cases. .284 cases will work as well. This box does not play well with standard size cartridge cases. IE .243, .308, etc. These boxes are sold with an F-7 follower. This box extends the O.A.L. of the ctg. approx. .110". Outside length is 3.070". Inside length is 2.995". [B]INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE INTERNAL BOXES[/B] [LIST] [*][COLOR=#ff0000]Mill magazine box mortice rearward as shown in (figure 1), just long enough for the extended box to fit.[/COLOR] [*]Shorten face of bolt stop .110" (figure 2) to accomodate extra box length. [*]When fitting the magazine lips, bend the lips inward until it takes medium pressure to push the cartridge through them. When pushing the cartridges through the lips, make sure that the magazine lips do not contact the action rails. If allowed to do so, this will cause a bind during the loading process. If they do touch, correct this by lowering the top of the lips and bending them in farther. [*]This design is not of the in-line type. The cartridges will sit in the box staggard and will pop to center when pushed forward. [*]The extended boxes may or may not fit the factory bottom metal. The easiest cure is to relieve the back of the magazine box so it sits on top of the bottom metal instead of in the mortice. Most of our boxes are allready cut for this.___________________________________________________________ [/LIST] Otherwise, your next choice could very well be a Long Action with the bolt face of your choice. There is one being offered now for $335.00 with a trigger but no bottom metal. Yes, I'm aware that the bottom metal will increase the cost unless you use the ADL system and skip everything except the box, spring and follower. The long action opens up the realm of standard bolt face cartridges as well as the magnum bolt face cartridges without any of the squishing necessitated by trying to cram a cartridge into a SA box using a longer VLD bullet. I have used a 7mm RSAUM with the longer, heavier bullets (175 Berger VLD) in a standard SA box with excellent results in both accuracy and performance at distances in the 600+ yard range. No muss, no fuss, no mess. So whatever you read about the necessity of using an extended box or long action is simply not true, at least for this particular cartridge. We proved this during the development of the 6.5 GAP 4S, all short actions, all the time with excellent performance. Step back and take some time to assess your situation and your hunting circumstances. Examine the choices available given the cartridge/bullet combinations to choose from. Then sleep on it. Wake up refreshed and get started with your project. ;):D Enjoy the process! [/QUOTE]
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