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Setting dies for a belted mag?
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<blockquote data-quote="CatShooter" data-source="post: 470784" data-attributes="member: 7"><p>As others have said, you can get a neck sizer die (not expensive) of just back off your FL die. </p><p></p><p>Buying a set of Comp shell holders is silly for this application (at $48 a set).</p><p></p><p>The H&H cases were (as JE Custom aptly stated), designed to be more loose in the chamber than "normal" cartridges, because the case MUST feed and chamber, and MUST extract withOUT problems, or you are dinner for some fuzzy critter in the 800 (and "+") pound category.</p><p></p><p>What was said by bounty hunter is not true... the fact that benchrest shooters often FL their cases is NOT because it makes for better accuracy.</p><p></p><p>Bench shooters do compromises in loading (just like all of us) to get the best possible end use. In bench shooting, disturbing the rifle at rest is more costing of time than the tiny lack of accuracy justifies. If the rifle/case is tight, between waiting for minimum wind and mirage, and resetting the rifle after it was torqued off the bags, you may loose your time and be forced to shoot at the end of the time limit, even if the wind/mirage is at it's worst.</p><p></p><p>So staying in battery position is more important than the possible advantage of better groups vs bolt torquing the rifle out of alignment on the bags.</p><p></p><p>Back in the days of "real" benchrest with moving backers cuz the groups were so small that you couldn't count the shots, no one in their right mind would ever consider FL sizing a match case...</p><p></p><p>... and these days, in long range shooting, the same applies.</p><p></p><p>I no longer shoot formal bench, cuz the atmosphere in the sport has radically changed... now my bench rifles are all converted to long range varmint rifles, and I would NEVER full size a case. When my 6mmBR gets very tight, I use a bump die on it to "BUMP" the shoulder back until it is just a bit snug to close the bolt... that equals about -.002 headspace (that is minus headspace).</p><p></p><p>So... bench shooters DO FL their cases, but not because it is more accurate, but because they are easier to chamber under stressful conditions....</p><p></p><p>... NO ONE has demonstrated that FL sizing is more accurate, in fact it has been repeatedly demonstrated that neck sizing is more accurate (in high quality riffles).</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>So in summary, the easiest way to neck size is to back your FL die off one turn and lock the ring... it's "free" and will neck size your fired cases.</p><p></p><p>You might have some problems with this, if the FL die is tight in the body - my 264WM FL die has a tight body and so I chose to buy a Neck size die (kinda cheap @ $20 to 25 dollars)</p><p></p><p>If the cases ever get hard to close the bolt on, then use the full size die, but turn it down in 1/16th increments and run the case in after each increment, until the case chambers like you like, and then lock the ring and enjoy your rifle.</p><p></p><p>There is no reason that belted cases should fail any sooner than standard cases, IF you use proper procedures when loading - I shoot a .375 H&H, a 300WM, and a 264WM, and I have NEVER lost a case.</p><p></p><p>Meow... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CatShooter, post: 470784, member: 7"] As others have said, you can get a neck sizer die (not expensive) of just back off your FL die. Buying a set of Comp shell holders is silly for this application (at $48 a set). The H&H cases were (as JE Custom aptly stated), designed to be more loose in the chamber than "normal" cartridges, because the case MUST feed and chamber, and MUST extract withOUT problems, or you are dinner for some fuzzy critter in the 800 (and "+") pound category. What was said by bounty hunter is not true... the fact that benchrest shooters often FL their cases is NOT because it makes for better accuracy. Bench shooters do compromises in loading (just like all of us) to get the best possible end use. In bench shooting, disturbing the rifle at rest is more costing of time than the tiny lack of accuracy justifies. If the rifle/case is tight, between waiting for minimum wind and mirage, and resetting the rifle after it was torqued off the bags, you may loose your time and be forced to shoot at the end of the time limit, even if the wind/mirage is at it's worst. So staying in battery position is more important than the possible advantage of better groups vs bolt torquing the rifle out of alignment on the bags. Back in the days of "real" benchrest with moving backers cuz the groups were so small that you couldn't count the shots, no one in their right mind would ever consider FL sizing a match case... ... and these days, in long range shooting, the same applies. I no longer shoot formal bench, cuz the atmosphere in the sport has radically changed... now my bench rifles are all converted to long range varmint rifles, and I would NEVER full size a case. When my 6mmBR gets very tight, I use a bump die on it to "BUMP" the shoulder back until it is just a bit snug to close the bolt... that equals about -.002 headspace (that is minus headspace). So... bench shooters DO FL their cases, but not because it is more accurate, but because they are easier to chamber under stressful conditions.... ... NO ONE has demonstrated that FL sizing is more accurate, in fact it has been repeatedly demonstrated that neck sizing is more accurate (in high quality riffles). --- So in summary, the easiest way to neck size is to back your FL die off one turn and lock the ring... it's "free" and will neck size your fired cases. You might have some problems with this, if the FL die is tight in the body - my 264WM FL die has a tight body and so I chose to buy a Neck size die (kinda cheap @ $20 to 25 dollars) If the cases ever get hard to close the bolt on, then use the full size die, but turn it down in 1/16th increments and run the case in after each increment, until the case chambers like you like, and then lock the ring and enjoy your rifle. There is no reason that belted cases should fail any sooner than standard cases, IF you use proper procedures when loading - I shoot a .375 H&H, a 300WM, and a 264WM, and I have NEVER lost a case. Meow... :) :) [/QUOTE]
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