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<blockquote data-quote="Pistol packer" data-source="post: 518316" data-attributes="member: 34702"><p>i hope i didnt muddle things up too much. it all depends on what you want to do with it. a bench rest shooter wants optics, repeatable clicks and a repeatable zero that holds. scope ruggedness isnt a top priority (wilderness, extreme temp stability, etc.). LRH ers want the above with ruggedness. </p><p>if you dont look thru a scope for long times, then optics are less of a factor. i have to look thru a slit lamp at eye balls for long periods of time. you dont want a doc sewing up your eye or removing a tiny foreign body with second rate equipment. i have an old (made in the 60's) Zeiss slit lamp. Leica and Zeiss (when properly set up) almost feel like eye salve to an irritated eye. You WANT to look thru them, they dont tire your eyes even after an hour. japanese, high end american, british etc. are all second to those, but often a very close second. nightforce has excellent optics and it is more heavy and rugged with repeatable zeros but is out of a lot of peoples price range and needs as are the zeiss and leica.</p><p>if you have a friend (or can cultivate such) who works for or owns a sporting goods store, then they may let you take home some. many years ago i did just that. i had a nikon, schmidt and bender, sworski, burris, and leupold in one deal that he let me take for a couple of days. i set them up so i could look out over a bench on the Mission range here in MT. i did early a m checks, 30-60 min before daylight at barbed wire at 400 yards. i put all the scopes on the same power and checked in the dark till i could see the individual barbs of the wire and noted the time. a couple outperformed all the rest as they actually were almost like starlight scopes. with a starry night or even a bright quarter moon, you could see the fence. i repeated the procedure at noon and at dusk into the night. i checked them out in the glare and in the shadows and wrote it down. i then researched and talked to owners of a lot of different scopes to see about reliability and esp. ruggedness as i hunted in extreme conditions a lot as i moved to the alaskan arctic soon afterwards and you dont care how repeatable something is as you dont want to move a reticle in 50 below weather, the lubricant in the scope is solid, i guarantee you). i made my choice and never looked back. it wasnt a zeiss or leica and MY eyes know it, but they served me well for over 25 years and they were under 350$ so i wouldnt cry if i destroyed one on a hunt (not too much anyway). they have been frozen with 1-2 in of ice totally around them, dropped, beat, and 10's of thousands of rounds shot under them and they have never even moved off zero. most of the LRH on this site would probably not like them as they move their reticles a lot, even shot to shot and they can do things i only dream of one day doing with their ballistic programs and scopes.</p><p>so, DEFINE what you want in a scope. what will YOU do with it? then research it for THAT scope that fits the bill for you</p><p>good hunting and straight shooting.</p><p>doc</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pistol packer, post: 518316, member: 34702"] i hope i didnt muddle things up too much. it all depends on what you want to do with it. a bench rest shooter wants optics, repeatable clicks and a repeatable zero that holds. scope ruggedness isnt a top priority (wilderness, extreme temp stability, etc.). LRH ers want the above with ruggedness. if you dont look thru a scope for long times, then optics are less of a factor. i have to look thru a slit lamp at eye balls for long periods of time. you dont want a doc sewing up your eye or removing a tiny foreign body with second rate equipment. i have an old (made in the 60's) Zeiss slit lamp. Leica and Zeiss (when properly set up) almost feel like eye salve to an irritated eye. You WANT to look thru them, they dont tire your eyes even after an hour. japanese, high end american, british etc. are all second to those, but often a very close second. nightforce has excellent optics and it is more heavy and rugged with repeatable zeros but is out of a lot of peoples price range and needs as are the zeiss and leica. if you have a friend (or can cultivate such) who works for or owns a sporting goods store, then they may let you take home some. many years ago i did just that. i had a nikon, schmidt and bender, sworski, burris, and leupold in one deal that he let me take for a couple of days. i set them up so i could look out over a bench on the Mission range here in MT. i did early a m checks, 30-60 min before daylight at barbed wire at 400 yards. i put all the scopes on the same power and checked in the dark till i could see the individual barbs of the wire and noted the time. a couple outperformed all the rest as they actually were almost like starlight scopes. with a starry night or even a bright quarter moon, you could see the fence. i repeated the procedure at noon and at dusk into the night. i checked them out in the glare and in the shadows and wrote it down. i then researched and talked to owners of a lot of different scopes to see about reliability and esp. ruggedness as i hunted in extreme conditions a lot as i moved to the alaskan arctic soon afterwards and you dont care how repeatable something is as you dont want to move a reticle in 50 below weather, the lubricant in the scope is solid, i guarantee you). i made my choice and never looked back. it wasnt a zeiss or leica and MY eyes know it, but they served me well for over 25 years and they were under 350$ so i wouldnt cry if i destroyed one on a hunt (not too much anyway). they have been frozen with 1-2 in of ice totally around them, dropped, beat, and 10's of thousands of rounds shot under them and they have never even moved off zero. most of the LRH on this site would probably not like them as they move their reticles a lot, even shot to shot and they can do things i only dream of one day doing with their ballistic programs and scopes. so, DEFINE what you want in a scope. what will YOU do with it? then research it for THAT scope that fits the bill for you good hunting and straight shooting. doc [/QUOTE]
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