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Savage B.Mag 17 Winchester Super Mag Teardown
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<blockquote data-quote="oregonreloader" data-source="post: 956697" data-attributes="member: 71958"><p>Gents,</p><p></p><p>This thread now has 32 pages of posts that describe our woes, issues and minor claims of potential success (that never seem to come to fruition). We continue to be hopeful and look for ways to float the barrel, put vibration dampeners on the barrel, get more rigid bull barrels, and so on. But no one, as far as I can tell, has found the magic elixir that allows the B.MAG to shoot accurately, dependably and repeatedly. </p><p></p><p>I haven't tried to tabulate the number of yeah-sayers here--those among us who are entirely happy with the performance of their B.MAG--but my gut recollection suggests that the number of 'unhappy' shooters far outweighs the number of those 'happy' with the B.MAG.</p><p></p><p>I've spent a LOT of time since last September, going through several B.MAGs and hundreds of dollars worth of both 20gn and 25gn ammo. My last outing, reported in brief three posts up, suggests what might be the predominant and real cause for our problems: the ammunition. </p><p></p><p>Go back and look at my earlier post and click on the pictures so you can study the enlarged photos carefully. Then go look at <em>your</em> ammunition. And look at it very carefully, one by one, with a powerful hand magnifier. Never mind weighing each cartridge or polishing each one, or other useless tasks. Just look for defects in the cartridge case.</p><p></p><p>Look for obvious tears in the neck, just as shown above. Look for minute case cracks. And look all round the shoulder of the unfired cases for tiny--almost imperceptible--longitudinal lines that suggest metal fatigue. These are incipient case splits, failures to extract, and possibly, indications of pending poor accuracy.</p><p></p><p>If you find unfired rounds with any of these conditions, separate them (by symptom) from the other unfired rounds that do not show any problems. Then shoot them separately (by symptom) and record your observations for the separate symptoms and their groupings, comparing the symptom with the results you obtain with unblemished rounds. Then report the results here.</p><p></p><p>I have concluded that it is pointless to continue to hammer at the B.MAG itself, without considering the ammunition that we feed it and how that is affecting the performance we see. My experience is that the folks at Savage are good people and they are really trying to help us. But, it very well may be that it is the ammunition that is causing the problems we all complain about. And maybe--because of the Savage-Winchester partnership in the .17WSM venture--Savage just cannot publicly point their fingers at Winchester.</p><p></p><p>But if finger-pointing is justified, we can do that.</p><p></p><p>Dennis</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="oregonreloader, post: 956697, member: 71958"] Gents, This thread now has 32 pages of posts that describe our woes, issues and minor claims of potential success (that never seem to come to fruition). We continue to be hopeful and look for ways to float the barrel, put vibration dampeners on the barrel, get more rigid bull barrels, and so on. But no one, as far as I can tell, has found the magic elixir that allows the B.MAG to shoot accurately, dependably and repeatedly. I haven't tried to tabulate the number of yeah-sayers here--those among us who are entirely happy with the performance of their B.MAG--but my gut recollection suggests that the number of 'unhappy' shooters far outweighs the number of those 'happy' with the B.MAG. I've spent a LOT of time since last September, going through several B.MAGs and hundreds of dollars worth of both 20gn and 25gn ammo. My last outing, reported in brief three posts up, suggests what might be the predominant and real cause for our problems: the ammunition. Go back and look at my earlier post and click on the pictures so you can study the enlarged photos carefully. Then go look at [I]your[/I] ammunition. And look at it very carefully, one by one, with a powerful hand magnifier. Never mind weighing each cartridge or polishing each one, or other useless tasks. Just look for defects in the cartridge case. Look for obvious tears in the neck, just as shown above. Look for minute case cracks. And look all round the shoulder of the unfired cases for tiny--almost imperceptible--longitudinal lines that suggest metal fatigue. These are incipient case splits, failures to extract, and possibly, indications of pending poor accuracy. If you find unfired rounds with any of these conditions, separate them (by symptom) from the other unfired rounds that do not show any problems. Then shoot them separately (by symptom) and record your observations for the separate symptoms and their groupings, comparing the symptom with the results you obtain with unblemished rounds. Then report the results here. I have concluded that it is pointless to continue to hammer at the B.MAG itself, without considering the ammunition that we feed it and how that is affecting the performance we see. My experience is that the folks at Savage are good people and they are really trying to help us. But, it very well may be that it is the ammunition that is causing the problems we all complain about. And maybe--because of the Savage-Winchester partnership in the .17WSM venture--Savage just cannot publicly point their fingers at Winchester. But if finger-pointing is justified, we can do that. Dennis [/QUOTE]
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