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<blockquote data-quote="westcliffe01" data-source="post: 907409" data-attributes="member: 35183"><p>A 308 "can" shoot out to 1000 yards, but is not the ideal weapon for that range. Now a lot of agencies use it as a training rifle, due to its deficiencies, which means that shooter technique has to be dead on, particularly wind calls or else you do not have a chance. For that matter, a 223 rifle with a 1:7 or 1:7.5 barrel shooting the heavy VLD's will perform in a similar manner and be a LOT cheaper in powder and brass. But the agencies will usually have their men shooting more powerful cartridges in the tactical role, so it makes more sense to shoot the 308 since it is not a pea shooter. They don't really care much about cost either, but most of us on this forum do.</p><p></p><p>In my case I have both. A 223 "primary trainer" that is very accurate, very easy to shoot and will quickly reveal if someone is in good shooting form before moving on to a more expensive cartridge. Then I have a 308 with a match barrel, and that is my "secondary" training rifle for cartridges that have a bit more oomph to them. It does not wear a brake, and therefore has recoil energy similar to many braked heavier caliber rifles. I'm shooting heavy for the caliber bullets. The 175 SMK at the low end up to 215 Berger Hybrids. The 175's are very effective, particularly at the range I have my steel targets (160, 320 and hopefully another at 500yds soon) so there is no "need" to shoot the 215's but they do produce more recoil and require better technique to shoot accurately compared to the 175's.</p><p></p><p>Then there are the rifles I acquired for actual longer range shooting and the common thread is that they tend to be more limited in barrel life. So I tend to not shoot them a whole lot other than sighting, drop verification, load development and hunting itself. If I am on form with both of the training rifles, then I have not had a problem shooting any of the others. My drop chart is clear taped to the side of the stock and for the moment I do not have a location to shoot far enough to need to use a ballistic calculator to take into account Coriolis drift. I'm also at a pretty consistent altitude and temperature. I do have the AB version of the Kestrel wind meter and still learning how to use it. I need to get the docking station so that I can download ballistic data to it from the laptop since my bullets are not pre-loaded.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="westcliffe01, post: 907409, member: 35183"] A 308 "can" shoot out to 1000 yards, but is not the ideal weapon for that range. Now a lot of agencies use it as a training rifle, due to its deficiencies, which means that shooter technique has to be dead on, particularly wind calls or else you do not have a chance. For that matter, a 223 rifle with a 1:7 or 1:7.5 barrel shooting the heavy VLD's will perform in a similar manner and be a LOT cheaper in powder and brass. But the agencies will usually have their men shooting more powerful cartridges in the tactical role, so it makes more sense to shoot the 308 since it is not a pea shooter. They don't really care much about cost either, but most of us on this forum do. In my case I have both. A 223 "primary trainer" that is very accurate, very easy to shoot and will quickly reveal if someone is in good shooting form before moving on to a more expensive cartridge. Then I have a 308 with a match barrel, and that is my "secondary" training rifle for cartridges that have a bit more oomph to them. It does not wear a brake, and therefore has recoil energy similar to many braked heavier caliber rifles. I'm shooting heavy for the caliber bullets. The 175 SMK at the low end up to 215 Berger Hybrids. The 175's are very effective, particularly at the range I have my steel targets (160, 320 and hopefully another at 500yds soon) so there is no "need" to shoot the 215's but they do produce more recoil and require better technique to shoot accurately compared to the 175's. Then there are the rifles I acquired for actual longer range shooting and the common thread is that they tend to be more limited in barrel life. So I tend to not shoot them a whole lot other than sighting, drop verification, load development and hunting itself. If I am on form with both of the training rifles, then I have not had a problem shooting any of the others. My drop chart is clear taped to the side of the stock and for the moment I do not have a location to shoot far enough to need to use a ballistic calculator to take into account Coriolis drift. I'm also at a pretty consistent altitude and temperature. I do have the AB version of the Kestrel wind meter and still learning how to use it. I need to get the docking station so that I can download ballistic data to it from the laptop since my bullets are not pre-loaded. [/QUOTE]
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