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RUM Dies. Which ones?
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<blockquote data-quote="Brent" data-source="post: 25499" data-attributes="member: 99"><p>Al,</p><p></p><p>I'm going to throat it for the 180 Nosler Ballistic Tip, which happens to have the same OAL as the 220gr SMK when both are seated with the leading edge of the boattail even with the neck and shoulder junction. The ogive on the 220gr SMK dictates that it will need to be seated .050" deeper though. </p><p></p><p>If I throat it for this bullet I can still squeeze the 165gr bullets in there. I want to stay on the lands without loosing too much bearing surface on the case neck if I use the 165's and want to mag load them at some point. </p><p></p><p>It will be 1.5 degree on the throat angle and have a removable pilot so I can use it with a seperate neck and throat reamer for the 338 Lapua Imp when I build one for myself. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Sheldon,</p><p></p><p>I'll give you a rundown on what this is costing me for the chambering I'm having done.</p><p></p><p>Dies... about 330 with shipping, Neil Jones.</p><p>Reamer. about 150 with shipping, Pacific Tool.</p><p>Brass.. 145 with shipping, Brunos.(338 Lapua)</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you need to turn necks add these;</p><p></p><p>Neck turner w/carbide pilot.. 88</p><p>Expandiron die.. 15</p><p>Ball mic... 98 all three from K&M w/o ship.</p><p></p><p>And yes, if the neck has +.002 total clearance you won't fit factory ammo in it. It can however be opened up later if for some reaason you wanted it to, cost is 66 bucks for the neck and throat reamer plus cost of having it done.</p><p></p><p>If Neil does the dies for you, he will send you a neck die based on the reamer drawing Dave kiff or you send him, so now you have a means to load them a few times. After you load them 3 times he wants a few "well formed" cases and the neck die back to make an insert that exactly matches "your" chamber but will minimally size the case body by .001" and bump the shoulder the amount needed.</p><p></p><p>If you don't have Neil do them and have Newlon die blanks ($50 ea) reamed, you'll need another "die" reamer ($135) that is smaller to do the dies with, and also bushings. </p><p></p><p>You can get mag boxes from Brownells for the 700 that are 3.91" long, if you need a repeater.</p><p></p><p>I haven't seen a picture of the Tommy compared to the Ultra, but whatever speed these guys are getting over the Ultra just has to be weighed against the investment. </p><p></p><p>I figured I'd go with the Lapua case and have the better brass and a bit more capacity for the money invested, then I already have a reamer to do my 338 Lapua Imp when I'm ready too, saving more money in the long run.</p><p></p><p>The other option is to find a "tighter" neck chamber reamer to rent or just buy one to work with factory dies, this way you'll get a tighter neck but not have to turn necks. </p><p></p><p>Good luck.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brent, post: 25499, member: 99"] Al, I'm going to throat it for the 180 Nosler Ballistic Tip, which happens to have the same OAL as the 220gr SMK when both are seated with the leading edge of the boattail even with the neck and shoulder junction. The ogive on the 220gr SMK dictates that it will need to be seated .050" deeper though. If I throat it for this bullet I can still squeeze the 165gr bullets in there. I want to stay on the lands without loosing too much bearing surface on the case neck if I use the 165's and want to mag load them at some point. It will be 1.5 degree on the throat angle and have a removable pilot so I can use it with a seperate neck and throat reamer for the 338 Lapua Imp when I build one for myself. Sheldon, I'll give you a rundown on what this is costing me for the chambering I'm having done. Dies... about 330 with shipping, Neil Jones. Reamer. about 150 with shipping, Pacific Tool. Brass.. 145 with shipping, Brunos.(338 Lapua) If you need to turn necks add these; Neck turner w/carbide pilot.. 88 Expandiron die.. 15 Ball mic... 98 all three from K&M w/o ship. And yes, if the neck has +.002 total clearance you won't fit factory ammo in it. It can however be opened up later if for some reaason you wanted it to, cost is 66 bucks for the neck and throat reamer plus cost of having it done. If Neil does the dies for you, he will send you a neck die based on the reamer drawing Dave kiff or you send him, so now you have a means to load them a few times. After you load them 3 times he wants a few "well formed" cases and the neck die back to make an insert that exactly matches "your" chamber but will minimally size the case body by .001" and bump the shoulder the amount needed. If you don't have Neil do them and have Newlon die blanks ($50 ea) reamed, you'll need another "die" reamer ($135) that is smaller to do the dies with, and also bushings. You can get mag boxes from Brownells for the 700 that are 3.91" long, if you need a repeater. I haven't seen a picture of the Tommy compared to the Ultra, but whatever speed these guys are getting over the Ultra just has to be weighed against the investment. I figured I'd go with the Lapua case and have the better brass and a bit more capacity for the money invested, then I already have a reamer to do my 338 Lapua Imp when I'm ready too, saving more money in the long run. The other option is to find a "tighter" neck chamber reamer to rent or just buy one to work with factory dies, this way you'll get a tighter neck but not have to turn necks. Good luck. [/QUOTE]
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