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Ruger M77, 7mm Ultra mag vs. Rem. 700, .308 value vs. quality
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<blockquote data-quote="Buano" data-source="post: 440624" data-attributes="member: 21641"><p>The short action ultra mag is very close to being a clone of your 30-06 in both power & damage to meat. The SAUM cartridges did not catch on like the WSM cartridges did so this loading reduces the rifle's value (in my opinion). .308 ammunition is available worldwide, so that advantage goes to the Remington.</p><p></p><p>That said, I like my Ruger, and it's the rifle I reach for most often to hunt. The triggers are not very good so I replaced mine with a Timney. The Remington trigger is worse & should be replaced for safety & to improve accuracy. The Ruger has a nicer 3-position safety.</p><p></p><p>As someone who has continually gone smaller on my deer rifles over the years in order to minimize meat damage, I understand your thoughts on going smaller. I went from a 7MM Rem mag to a .25-06 for exactly that reason. I've now gone down to a .243 for most deer hunting so there is even less damage. If you are shooting deer at relatively close range, "magnum" bullets can do lots of damage. Hunting NY state, many shots will be at relatively close range. </p><p></p><p>If I were you I would figure out what you want & get that. You can always sell your rifle outright, either on this site or one of the others. Use that money to get what you want. </p><p></p><p>Might I suggest you look closely at the following calibers: .243 Win, .260 Rem, 7mm-08 and .25-06. of these, only the .243 is limited for deer hunting, most limit it to under 300 yards. The .260 Rem may be the perfect cartridge for where you hunt but there are few rifles chambered for it. Each of these rounds could do double-duty as a coyote rifle.</p><p></p><p>As you hunt upstate NY you will be hunting in the slop so I recommend a stainless or rust-resistant gun with a composite stock.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buano, post: 440624, member: 21641"] The short action ultra mag is very close to being a clone of your 30-06 in both power & damage to meat. The SAUM cartridges did not catch on like the WSM cartridges did so this loading reduces the rifle's value (in my opinion). .308 ammunition is available worldwide, so that advantage goes to the Remington. That said, I like my Ruger, and it's the rifle I reach for most often to hunt. The triggers are not very good so I replaced mine with a Timney. The Remington trigger is worse & should be replaced for safety & to improve accuracy. The Ruger has a nicer 3-position safety. As someone who has continually gone smaller on my deer rifles over the years in order to minimize meat damage, I understand your thoughts on going smaller. I went from a 7MM Rem mag to a .25-06 for exactly that reason. I've now gone down to a .243 for most deer hunting so there is even less damage. If you are shooting deer at relatively close range, "magnum" bullets can do lots of damage. Hunting NY state, many shots will be at relatively close range. If I were you I would figure out what you want & get that. You can always sell your rifle outright, either on this site or one of the others. Use that money to get what you want. Might I suggest you look closely at the following calibers: .243 Win, .260 Rem, 7mm-08 and .25-06. of these, only the .243 is limited for deer hunting, most limit it to under 300 yards. The .260 Rem may be the perfect cartridge for where you hunt but there are few rifles chambered for it. Each of these rounds could do double-duty as a coyote rifle. As you hunt upstate NY you will be hunting in the slop so I recommend a stainless or rust-resistant gun with a composite stock. [/QUOTE]
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