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AR15/10 Rifles
Reloading for Gas Guns?
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<blockquote data-quote="Kevin Thomas" data-source="post: 487688" data-attributes="member: 15748"><p>Monte,</p><p> </p><p>Sorry for the delay here, but I've been out of the office for the past week at a trade show. You're correct here, but it sounds that we may be mixing slam firers and out of battery firings a bit. For those who may not be familiary with these, a slam fire occurs when the bolt goes home and discharges the round. The bolt may be either in or out of battery when this occurs; they happen both ways. If the bolt is in battery, you merely have an accidental discharge that leaves the rifle otherwise undamaged (aside from scaring the crap outta you, and hopefully not killing someone nearby: muzzle discipline!). An Out of battery firing occurs when the rifle is fired (intentionally or otherwise) and the bolt is not locked fully into battery. Yes, the Garand and M14s both use a similar safety system to prevent this, but I've seen them happen. Mechanical stuff . . . never trust it completely. True the, ARs are much, much less likely to do this. In fact, I've never heard of it happening. I can, however see somepossibility for this happeneing if the bolt was damaged, as in losing lugs. Don't laugh, I <u>have</u> seen that happen. So I'll stick with the "less likely" description and won't say "never". </p><p> </p><p>Out of battery firings are serious business, and they can be very dangerous and destructive. I had a guy blow up an M14 right beside me during a match one time, slightly injuring him, but destroying the rifle. I had one personally in a bolt action once, in which the rifle itself was only slightly damaged, but left me with a shattered right arm and a 16" scar running from the top of the shoulder to below my elbow. In that particular instance, the rifle was virtually undamaged, and required only a new bolt handle to be screwed on, assuming I'd have been stupid enough to use that action again. </p><p> </p><p>Basic rules for avoiding either in Service Rifles are the same; use properly sized (full length ONLY) sized brass, that has a measured .003"-.005" headspace, a sturdy enough primer such as the #41s, #34s, Wolf Small Rifle Magnum or 223s, or other thick-cup designs. Assure that the primers are fully seated, at least a few thou below the case head, and manually check this when you reload, each and every time. It's the little things that'll bite if we start getting complacent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kevin Thomas, post: 487688, member: 15748"] Monte, Sorry for the delay here, but I've been out of the office for the past week at a trade show. You're correct here, but it sounds that we may be mixing slam firers and out of battery firings a bit. For those who may not be familiary with these, a slam fire occurs when the bolt goes home and discharges the round. The bolt may be either in or out of battery when this occurs; they happen both ways. If the bolt is in battery, you merely have an accidental discharge that leaves the rifle otherwise undamaged (aside from scaring the crap outta you, and hopefully not killing someone nearby: muzzle discipline!). An Out of battery firing occurs when the rifle is fired (intentionally or otherwise) and the bolt is not locked fully into battery. Yes, the Garand and M14s both use a similar safety system to prevent this, but I've seen them happen. Mechanical stuff . . . never trust it completely. True the, ARs are much, much less likely to do this. In fact, I've never heard of it happening. I can, however see somepossibility for this happeneing if the bolt was damaged, as in losing lugs. Don't laugh, I [U]have[/U] seen that happen. So I'll stick with the "less likely" description and won't say "never". Out of battery firings are serious business, and they can be very dangerous and destructive. I had a guy blow up an M14 right beside me during a match one time, slightly injuring him, but destroying the rifle. I had one personally in a bolt action once, in which the rifle itself was only slightly damaged, but left me with a shattered right arm and a 16" scar running from the top of the shoulder to below my elbow. In that particular instance, the rifle was virtually undamaged, and required only a new bolt handle to be screwed on, assuming I'd have been stupid enough to use that action again. Basic rules for avoiding either in Service Rifles are the same; use properly sized (full length ONLY) sized brass, that has a measured .003"-.005" headspace, a sturdy enough primer such as the #41s, #34s, Wolf Small Rifle Magnum or 223s, or other thick-cup designs. Assure that the primers are fully seated, at least a few thou below the case head, and manually check this when you reload, each and every time. It's the little things that'll bite if we start getting complacent. [/QUOTE]
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