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<blockquote data-quote="Pistol packer" data-source="post: 626159" data-attributes="member: 34702"><p>gary,</p><p>yup, absolutely right on all accounts, except the crimp die. you have to keep crimping with the roll crimp die till the die flattens out about 16th of the top of the case. it first roll crimps then it flattens out the top of the crimp if you keep going. so basicly the rcbs die rolls the top into the bullet, then it forces the rolled edge into the bullet. i have shot 180 grainers past 2000 fps and 240 grainers past 1800 ( dont recommend this to anyone) with this crimp out of a 8 in barrel in a S&W revolver. i mark one cartridge and dont fire it and rotate the other five. i have fired over 100 rounds with the one still in the same chamber and not had ANY bullets of any weight back out due to recoil. it takes some time to learn how to do this as you cannot just slam a crimp onto the case this heavy, but it must be done with feel and the last bit of ram can require considerable pressure. any faster and the case buckles and wrinkles. </p><p>read fast and fancy revolver shooting by ed mcgivern. he shot targets out to 400 yards with a 38 sp. and to 600 yard with a 357. you just adjust the rear sight to where it is held somewhere down the barrel itself and the front blade is held to the center. it is suprising how the eyes will align this up to the center of the rear notch. i mark the barrel with a marker at the different ranges that i hold the top of the rear sight to. the big slugs over 300 grains seem to hold the best and drop the least. as ross sigfried said "pistol bullet dont have a BC" as they seem to shoot so much further than the papers say. if you havent shot a 335 grainer (44) or 360-400 grainer (45 colt)( Long Flat Nose- cast my own with LBT molds- almost a full wad cutter-the wide flat nose- works really well too) at 1400 FPS, then you have a really wonderful experience ahead of you, if you can tame the recoil which in a ruger vaquero (old model ONLY) or 4 1/2 SBH is substantial. i've never lost a bet against hitting a target past 400 yards with either one. you will be amazed at the attention you get at the range when you start popping 8 in rocks at 3-400 yards with such a little gun. a good rest and absolute trigger control is the key. all of my triggers break about 1/2 pound. </p><p>good luck and flow with the recoil.</p><p>jim</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pistol packer, post: 626159, member: 34702"] gary, yup, absolutely right on all accounts, except the crimp die. you have to keep crimping with the roll crimp die till the die flattens out about 16th of the top of the case. it first roll crimps then it flattens out the top of the crimp if you keep going. so basicly the rcbs die rolls the top into the bullet, then it forces the rolled edge into the bullet. i have shot 180 grainers past 2000 fps and 240 grainers past 1800 ( dont recommend this to anyone) with this crimp out of a 8 in barrel in a S&W revolver. i mark one cartridge and dont fire it and rotate the other five. i have fired over 100 rounds with the one still in the same chamber and not had ANY bullets of any weight back out due to recoil. it takes some time to learn how to do this as you cannot just slam a crimp onto the case this heavy, but it must be done with feel and the last bit of ram can require considerable pressure. any faster and the case buckles and wrinkles. read fast and fancy revolver shooting by ed mcgivern. he shot targets out to 400 yards with a 38 sp. and to 600 yard with a 357. you just adjust the rear sight to where it is held somewhere down the barrel itself and the front blade is held to the center. it is suprising how the eyes will align this up to the center of the rear notch. i mark the barrel with a marker at the different ranges that i hold the top of the rear sight to. the big slugs over 300 grains seem to hold the best and drop the least. as ross sigfried said "pistol bullet dont have a BC" as they seem to shoot so much further than the papers say. if you havent shot a 335 grainer (44) or 360-400 grainer (45 colt)( Long Flat Nose- cast my own with LBT molds- almost a full wad cutter-the wide flat nose- works really well too) at 1400 FPS, then you have a really wonderful experience ahead of you, if you can tame the recoil which in a ruger vaquero (old model ONLY) or 4 1/2 SBH is substantial. i've never lost a bet against hitting a target past 400 yards with either one. you will be amazed at the attention you get at the range when you start popping 8 in rocks at 3-400 yards with such a little gun. a good rest and absolute trigger control is the key. all of my triggers break about 1/2 pound. good luck and flow with the recoil. jim [/QUOTE]
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