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Redding Type "S" dies, are they worth the extra money?
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<blockquote data-quote="bigedp51" data-source="post: 1124515" data-attributes="member: 28965"><p>1. I do not get excited about bushing dies and off the shelf factory rifles, with a factory chamber using a bushing die can "INCREASE" your neck runout. And as I stated before my bushing die for my .223 has more runout than my Forster full length die.</p><p></p><p>2. With a standard off the shelf factory rifles your better off with the Forster full length die with the high mounted expander. If you want to be nit picky then have the Forster die neck honed.</p><p></p><p>3. This isn't Benchrest Central and bushing dies can and will induce neck runout when sizing the neck more than .005. Meaning the if you do not have a custom tight neck chamber a bushing die may be more trouble than its worth.</p><p></p><p><strong>Two-Step Sizing and Case Neck Concentricity</strong></p><p>by: Germán A. Salazar</p><p><a href="http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2010/04/reloading-two-step-sizing-and.html" target="_blank">The Rifleman's Journal: Reloading: Two-Step Sizing and Concentricity</a></p><p></p><p>"This article's title refers to two-step sizing, a term that may not be familiar to all, so an explanation is in order. <strong>When sizing with bushing dies, such as the Redding Competition and Type S dies, it is well known that a neck diameter reduction of more than 0.005" should be accomplished in two steps, with each step sizing the neck down no more than 0.005" and preferably less (see <a href="http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2009/10/reloading-neck-tension.html" target="_blank">October 2009 article</a> about neck tension). This two-step procedure not only minimizes sizing die induced concentricity deterioration."</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong>Bottom line<strong>, </strong>my Forster dies and converted RCBS dies with the Forster Expanders produce the least amount of neck runout. I do not have any heartburn with expanders as long as they do not create or induce neck runout. And the vast majority of people who bitch about expanders do not lube their necks properly. And the average reloader doesn't need bushing dies with their factory rifles and SAMMI chambers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bigedp51, post: 1124515, member: 28965"] 1. I do not get excited about bushing dies and off the shelf factory rifles, with a factory chamber using a bushing die can "INCREASE" your neck runout. And as I stated before my bushing die for my .223 has more runout than my Forster full length die. 2. With a standard off the shelf factory rifles your better off with the Forster full length die with the high mounted expander. If you want to be nit picky then have the Forster die neck honed. 3. This isn't Benchrest Central and bushing dies can and will induce neck runout when sizing the neck more than .005. Meaning the if you do not have a custom tight neck chamber a bushing die may be more trouble than its worth. [B]Two-Step Sizing and Case Neck Concentricity[/B] by: Germán A. Salazar [URL="http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2010/04/reloading-two-step-sizing-and.html"]The Rifleman's Journal: Reloading: Two-Step Sizing and Concentricity[/URL] "This article's title refers to two-step sizing, a term that may not be familiar to all, so an explanation is in order. [B]When sizing with bushing dies, such as the Redding Competition and Type S dies, it is well known that a neck diameter reduction of more than 0.005" should be accomplished in two steps, with each step sizing the neck down no more than 0.005" and preferably less (see [URL="http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2009/10/reloading-neck-tension.html"]October 2009 article[/URL] about neck tension). This two-step procedure not only minimizes sizing die induced concentricity deterioration." [/B]Bottom line[B], [/B]my Forster dies and converted RCBS dies with the Forster Expanders produce the least amount of neck runout. I do not have any heartburn with expanders as long as they do not create or induce neck runout. And the vast majority of people who bitch about expanders do not lube their necks properly. And the average reloader doesn't need bushing dies with their factory rifles and SAMMI chambers. [/QUOTE]
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