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<blockquote data-quote="Murph" data-source="post: 336968" data-attributes="member: 5105"><p>Hmmm Where do I start.</p><p></p><p>Roebucks rig is as at the start of the post. He is shooting 140 amax's and Im not 100% sure how fast he is running them. My rig is a howa 1500 in 7mm wsm with a 25" 1 in 8" twist Border barrel fitted with a 5.5 X 22 NXS and a pes t12 Moderator. Im shooting 162 amax's at 2980 fps.</p><p></p><p>All the deer we shot were taken between 250 and 400 yds. not exactly long range but not all of them were standing still at the time. all the deer I shot dropped on the spot and one of roebucks took two shots as he has explained. there were no exit wounds on any of the deer. not many estate stalkers will let you take shots at these ranges, unless they know you are capable of making a clean kill at that range. The normal practice here is to stalk into 100 yards and then take a heart / lung shot. again unless the stalker you are out with knows you well, and is confident in your abilities, you will not get to shoot much beyond 100 yards unless it is for a follow up shot on a wounded animal.</p><p></p><p>I think the only reason we got to shoot at the ranges we did was because the stalker knows us both, We kept on bumping into stags who would watch us, let us pass. and then just before we got into a shooting position on the group of hinds, they would bug out and the hinds would follow them. The 2 stags in the photo at the beginning of the post were less than 30 yards from us, and never even bothered to move untill we were about 250 yards past them toward some hinds.</p><p></p><p>Stalking over here is a bit different from your side of the pond, this time of the year is when the hind cull is taking place, and each estate will have a cull figure to reach. perhaps as many as 150 mature hinds and 50-70 calfs. if the weather is not playing ball this puts the estate stalkers under pressure to get their cull numbers. This is when we will see as high numbers being shot as possible, so that if the weather turns for the worse the cull figure can still be reached.</p><p></p><p>We will typically pay £150 for a days hind stalking, and on some estates your day is over when you have shot 1 or 2 hinds. it depends on how long the carcase extraction will take, and how near the cull figure the estate stalker is. sometimes like the day we had, there will be a lot of hinds shot because there are plenty of toys (argo / quads) to get the carcases off the hill.</p><p></p><p>Normally the paying shooters dont get to keep the carcases as these will go to the estate where they are shot. they are then sold to a gamedealer and the estate makes money from them. some estates give you the option to purchase the meat at gamedealer rates. But for a lot of shooters like myself this makes the day too expensive. for instance the average hind in the larder weighs in around the 130lb mark and the current gamedealer price for red deer is around £1.30 per lb. It does taste good but it is still a bit rich for my pocket.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps if we are lucky Roebuck will furnish us with a couple more photo's of the day</p><p></p><p>all the best</p><p></p><p>Murph</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Murph, post: 336968, member: 5105"] Hmmm Where do I start. Roebucks rig is as at the start of the post. He is shooting 140 amax's and Im not 100% sure how fast he is running them. My rig is a howa 1500 in 7mm wsm with a 25" 1 in 8" twist Border barrel fitted with a 5.5 X 22 NXS and a pes t12 Moderator. Im shooting 162 amax's at 2980 fps. All the deer we shot were taken between 250 and 400 yds. not exactly long range but not all of them were standing still at the time. all the deer I shot dropped on the spot and one of roebucks took two shots as he has explained. there were no exit wounds on any of the deer. not many estate stalkers will let you take shots at these ranges, unless they know you are capable of making a clean kill at that range. The normal practice here is to stalk into 100 yards and then take a heart / lung shot. again unless the stalker you are out with knows you well, and is confident in your abilities, you will not get to shoot much beyond 100 yards unless it is for a follow up shot on a wounded animal. I think the only reason we got to shoot at the ranges we did was because the stalker knows us both, We kept on bumping into stags who would watch us, let us pass. and then just before we got into a shooting position on the group of hinds, they would bug out and the hinds would follow them. The 2 stags in the photo at the beginning of the post were less than 30 yards from us, and never even bothered to move untill we were about 250 yards past them toward some hinds. Stalking over here is a bit different from your side of the pond, this time of the year is when the hind cull is taking place, and each estate will have a cull figure to reach. perhaps as many as 150 mature hinds and 50-70 calfs. if the weather is not playing ball this puts the estate stalkers under pressure to get their cull numbers. This is when we will see as high numbers being shot as possible, so that if the weather turns for the worse the cull figure can still be reached. We will typically pay £150 for a days hind stalking, and on some estates your day is over when you have shot 1 or 2 hinds. it depends on how long the carcase extraction will take, and how near the cull figure the estate stalker is. sometimes like the day we had, there will be a lot of hinds shot because there are plenty of toys (argo / quads) to get the carcases off the hill. Normally the paying shooters dont get to keep the carcases as these will go to the estate where they are shot. they are then sold to a gamedealer and the estate makes money from them. some estates give you the option to purchase the meat at gamedealer rates. But for a lot of shooters like myself this makes the day too expensive. for instance the average hind in the larder weighs in around the 130lb mark and the current gamedealer price for red deer is around £1.30 per lb. It does taste good but it is still a bit rich for my pocket. Perhaps if we are lucky Roebuck will furnish us with a couple more photo's of the day all the best Murph [/QUOTE]
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