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<blockquote data-quote="catamountsierra" data-source="post: 1262501" data-attributes="member: 79865"><p>I don't have a lot of experience shooting game. So far, I have only shot three deer. Most of what I have shot has been small game and coyotes, and given that I don't get out to hunt nearly as much as I would like, that is likely the way it will stay for a while. I have shot a fair number of bullets into water jugs or wet phone books (for some reason, even in the days of Google and smart phones I seem to get several a year). I have made some observations that might be relevant. First, a bullet that expands quickly but stays together has a much better chance of reaching the vitals even through a shoulder or other compromised angle. A bullet that fragments seems to be the fastest kill, provided that when it blows up like a grenade it has reached the vitals; these bullets seem to me to present more risk because shot placement may be more finicky. As to a bullet travelling through some material other than air, the more the bullet expands, the more it slows down and dumps kinetic energy into the target. The less it expands, and the higher the weight retention, the farther it penetrates. Also, a rounded nose on this bullet, whether due to design or expansion, seems to increase the likely hood that the bullet may change direction while a wadcutter style nose that is flat and perpendicular to the line of travel seems to stay in a straight line better.</p><p>As to how this thread has devolved, I am actually feeling disappointed. I may be fairly new around here, and I may not have nearly as many posts as others, but one of the biggest reasons I chose this forum rather than a number of others is that I have rarely seen personal attacks being thrown around here; I have rarely seen what I would call arguments. I have seen lots of debate and discussion, which I have found very informative. This thread seems to have lost that, and I am disappointed to see people that I have come to respect arguing over what appears to me to be mostly a misunderstanding and a reading between the lines. While both sides seem to have made good points, those have been obscured by the argument. Please take it down a notch; this is an important topic, but it is not worth a fight. In the end, as long as the bullet kills cleanly, it doesn't matter whether round nosed or flat noses create larger shocks to the animal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="catamountsierra, post: 1262501, member: 79865"] I don't have a lot of experience shooting game. So far, I have only shot three deer. Most of what I have shot has been small game and coyotes, and given that I don't get out to hunt nearly as much as I would like, that is likely the way it will stay for a while. I have shot a fair number of bullets into water jugs or wet phone books (for some reason, even in the days of Google and smart phones I seem to get several a year). I have made some observations that might be relevant. First, a bullet that expands quickly but stays together has a much better chance of reaching the vitals even through a shoulder or other compromised angle. A bullet that fragments seems to be the fastest kill, provided that when it blows up like a grenade it has reached the vitals; these bullets seem to me to present more risk because shot placement may be more finicky. As to a bullet travelling through some material other than air, the more the bullet expands, the more it slows down and dumps kinetic energy into the target. The less it expands, and the higher the weight retention, the farther it penetrates. Also, a rounded nose on this bullet, whether due to design or expansion, seems to increase the likely hood that the bullet may change direction while a wadcutter style nose that is flat and perpendicular to the line of travel seems to stay in a straight line better. As to how this thread has devolved, I am actually feeling disappointed. I may be fairly new around here, and I may not have nearly as many posts as others, but one of the biggest reasons I chose this forum rather than a number of others is that I have rarely seen personal attacks being thrown around here; I have rarely seen what I would call arguments. I have seen lots of debate and discussion, which I have found very informative. This thread seems to have lost that, and I am disappointed to see people that I have come to respect arguing over what appears to me to be mostly a misunderstanding and a reading between the lines. While both sides seem to have made good points, those have been obscured by the argument. Please take it down a notch; this is an important topic, but it is not worth a fight. In the end, as long as the bullet kills cleanly, it doesn't matter whether round nosed or flat noses create larger shocks to the animal. [/QUOTE]
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