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Rebated Boat Tail bullet question
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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 67294" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>Alucard,</p><p></p><p>The Rebated Boattail combines the best features of the flat base bullet design with the best features of the Boattail design.</p><p></p><p>As mentioned you get a more consistant and precise base with the rebated boattail just as you do with the flat base bullet. As far as pure accuracy goes, the flat base bullets are kings because they can be produced nearly perfectly consistant from bullet to bullet at least at the base.</p><p></p><p>For shooting under 400 yards there really is no need for any Boat tail bullet. And now with some of the ULD nose profiled flat based bullets such as those from Wildcat Bullets, there really is not anything out there the Flat base bullets can't do out to 1000 to 1500 yards.</p><p></p><p>Richard is waiting on some jackets to build me some 160 gr FBHP Bonded Core bullets which will have a B.C. higher then any conventional hunting bullet on the market and probably higher then most VLD bullets as well. In fact it should be nearly the same as the 300 gr Sierra Mk in B.C.</p><p></p><p>Remember that nose profile has as much if not more to do with high B.C. then what is on the end of the bullet.</p><p></p><p>So the Rebated Boattail offers some of the same advantages a flat base offers in terms of consistancy in the base of the bullet.</p><p></p><p>Along with that they also offer the advantage of the boattail at extreme range so it really is a hybrid between the two bullet designs.</p><p></p><p>There is also another advantage and that is that when case prepping there is no need for anything but a conventional case mouth deburring tool whereas to get the most out of VLD bullets the case mouth should be chamfered with a steeper angle to ease the steep angles boattail into the case without damaging it.</p><p></p><p>I personally feel that the reason you do not see more RBBT bullets winning competitions is that most comp shooters will seldom use anything that is not already being used by the top shooters.</p><p></p><p>As such it is very difficult to get a new product introduced into the world of comp shooting because unless the new product blows the doors off everything it will not be accepted as a viable option to the mainstream crowd.</p><p></p><p>With the modern bullets today and the rifles that we are building today, it is often difficult to prove one bullet is consistantly superior to another bullet, at least with top end match bullets.</p><p></p><p>For this reason, you really need to sample the best of what is out there and see what your rifle prefers and go with that bullet. I feel the Wildcat Bullets rank at least as full equals to the very best well established match bullets out there.</p><p></p><p>But hey, how can you go wrong when everyone and there dog is shooting the SMK bullets. They are good bullets but I feel most shoot them simply because they are on the componant lists of the top shooters around the country and why is that. Well first off because they are certainly good bullets, no question but also because thats the bullet that everyone has been using for decades.</p><p></p><p>I too started with the Sierra bullets and was totally impressed with their performance but then I tried some Wildcat bullets and proved to myself that my rifles on average held tighter groups and had less drop and wind drift with these bullets so I use them nearly exclusively now.</p><p></p><p>Do the same for yourself, test different brands and listen to your rifle. The best thing is that rifles are not biased by public opinion.</p><p></p><p>Now before everyone shooting Sierra bullets jumps all over my case for this, please realize that I fully realize Sierra bullets are top quality bullets and that if I built a new heavy rifle tomorrow it may well shoot the Sierra better then any other bullet. </p><p></p><p>Point is try more then one brand and see what happens!</p><p></p><p>In my personal rifles though, the Wildcats are winning nearly all the accuracy testing awards!!</p><p></p><p>As far as the 300 RUM goes, I think 200 to 220 gr bullets are about perfect for this case capacity as they reach solid 3000 to 3200 fps velocities with comfortable pressures and these bullets just work great at these velocities.</p><p></p><p>The 165 and 180s are also good but I feel the slightly heavier bullets are a better ballance for this case size.</p><p></p><p>The heavier 240 to 250 gr pills are in my opinion better suited for the 30-378 class case capacities.</p><p></p><p>Good Shooting!!</p><p></p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 67294, member: 10"] Alucard, The Rebated Boattail combines the best features of the flat base bullet design with the best features of the Boattail design. As mentioned you get a more consistant and precise base with the rebated boattail just as you do with the flat base bullet. As far as pure accuracy goes, the flat base bullets are kings because they can be produced nearly perfectly consistant from bullet to bullet at least at the base. For shooting under 400 yards there really is no need for any Boat tail bullet. And now with some of the ULD nose profiled flat based bullets such as those from Wildcat Bullets, there really is not anything out there the Flat base bullets can't do out to 1000 to 1500 yards. Richard is waiting on some jackets to build me some 160 gr FBHP Bonded Core bullets which will have a B.C. higher then any conventional hunting bullet on the market and probably higher then most VLD bullets as well. In fact it should be nearly the same as the 300 gr Sierra Mk in B.C. Remember that nose profile has as much if not more to do with high B.C. then what is on the end of the bullet. So the Rebated Boattail offers some of the same advantages a flat base offers in terms of consistancy in the base of the bullet. Along with that they also offer the advantage of the boattail at extreme range so it really is a hybrid between the two bullet designs. There is also another advantage and that is that when case prepping there is no need for anything but a conventional case mouth deburring tool whereas to get the most out of VLD bullets the case mouth should be chamfered with a steeper angle to ease the steep angles boattail into the case without damaging it. I personally feel that the reason you do not see more RBBT bullets winning competitions is that most comp shooters will seldom use anything that is not already being used by the top shooters. As such it is very difficult to get a new product introduced into the world of comp shooting because unless the new product blows the doors off everything it will not be accepted as a viable option to the mainstream crowd. With the modern bullets today and the rifles that we are building today, it is often difficult to prove one bullet is consistantly superior to another bullet, at least with top end match bullets. For this reason, you really need to sample the best of what is out there and see what your rifle prefers and go with that bullet. I feel the Wildcat Bullets rank at least as full equals to the very best well established match bullets out there. But hey, how can you go wrong when everyone and there dog is shooting the SMK bullets. They are good bullets but I feel most shoot them simply because they are on the componant lists of the top shooters around the country and why is that. Well first off because they are certainly good bullets, no question but also because thats the bullet that everyone has been using for decades. I too started with the Sierra bullets and was totally impressed with their performance but then I tried some Wildcat bullets and proved to myself that my rifles on average held tighter groups and had less drop and wind drift with these bullets so I use them nearly exclusively now. Do the same for yourself, test different brands and listen to your rifle. The best thing is that rifles are not biased by public opinion. Now before everyone shooting Sierra bullets jumps all over my case for this, please realize that I fully realize Sierra bullets are top quality bullets and that if I built a new heavy rifle tomorrow it may well shoot the Sierra better then any other bullet. Point is try more then one brand and see what happens! In my personal rifles though, the Wildcats are winning nearly all the accuracy testing awards!! As far as the 300 RUM goes, I think 200 to 220 gr bullets are about perfect for this case capacity as they reach solid 3000 to 3200 fps velocities with comfortable pressures and these bullets just work great at these velocities. The 165 and 180s are also good but I feel the slightly heavier bullets are a better ballance for this case size. The heavier 240 to 250 gr pills are in my opinion better suited for the 30-378 class case capacities. Good Shooting!! Kirby Allen(50) [/QUOTE]
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