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Proper barrel break in for new Savage 93R17
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<blockquote data-quote="J E Custom" data-source="post: 421792" data-attributes="member: 2736"><p>This post is not intended to start an argument just clarify the reason that I recomend</p><p>break in of a new or even a used barrel that was not broken in in the beginning.</p><p></p><p>I read these post and found them to be very interesting and some good points were </p><p>brought out that bear discussing. and some were ridiculously over stated.</p><p></p><p>The first post talked about How fast you would wear out the barrel if you cleaned every </p><p>time you shot. one of the numbers was 100 rounds to break in. That's silly now one shoots </p><p>and cleans 100 times.</p><p></p><p>The second post talks about a truth telling Bore scope (I have one to) and I am sure that </p><p>they know how to interpret there findings. I made my living as a metallurgical Inspector</p><p>and I do know what I see and the difference between barrels that have been broken in</p><p>"properly".</p><p></p><p>First let me say that I do not care if someone agrees or disagrees with my findings </p><p>because they have a right to there on opinions, and it does not offend me if they </p><p>disagree with me. That's what makes the world go round.</p><p></p><p>I only know what I see and can prove to myself, I have tried as many things as possible </p><p>to make barrel life and accuracy better for my self and most of the improvements have </p><p>been common sense applications.</p><p></p><p>When I first started competition shooting I did like I had allways done with a new rifle </p><p>Shoot till I was tired and go home and clean for several hours or how ever long it took.</p><p></p><p>The worst case I encountered was a big bore that I shot 50 rounds through it and had </p><p>enough. so I went home and cleaned for at least 4 hours before I finally got a clean </p><p>patch.</p><p></p><p>That is when I set out to find a better way. This was a factory rifle and normally they are </p><p>not lapped like the custom barrels so they require more shots to smooth out the bore </p><p>so they will clean up easy. (Some never get better , they just fowl).</p><p></p><p>I have had almost every bad experience with barrels that is possible and wanted to stop </p><p>this and start having fun again . so I started doing different things to try to solve this </p><p>and hear are "MY" findings.</p><p></p><p>If I started shooting without any cleaning regiment they continued to fowl for ever and </p><p>even though they got better, they never cleaned up fast. (One or two patches).</p><p></p><p>The custom barrels do much better and the hand lapped are the best about not fowling if </p><p>they are lapped properly.</p><p></p><p>When you shoot copper fouling can build up, and actually protect the bore from ware but</p><p>it requires a much more intense cleaning and as stated earlier improper cleaning will do </p><p>more damage than shooting does.</p><p></p><p>If you do decide to use the/a break in procedure you must know how to properly clean </p><p>with out damaging the bore (Bore guides,solvent use, type and size of cleaning rod and</p><p>jags, never from the muzzle and ETC.) but these are things that everyone should know </p><p>to clean a bore properly.</p><p></p><p>The main reason I like to do break in is that it starts to reach its potential accuracy soon</p><p>and cleans up easier which minimizes cleaning that can damage the bore.</p><p></p><p>All of the rifles that I used a proper break in procedure, factory or custom clean up fast and</p><p>require very little brushing . I have not had an barrel shoot out and only set back a few </p><p>that had washed out the throat in order to restore accuracy.</p><p></p><p>If a person elects to just shoot and clean up when they are through shooting, will </p><p>continue to have to clean excessively and probably do more damage that good.</p><p></p><p>There are a lot of things that can damage a fine barrel, So I try to keep it clean and free</p><p>of anything that will shorten its potential life.</p><p></p><p>And after a few shoot and clean break in shots (Normally no more than 8 or 9 I dont even </p><p>use a brush ,just a cotton swab to apply the solvent and a couple of dry patches and it </p><p>is clean and when I look at it with the bore light it has no fowling copper or carbon. this </p><p>way the only damage to the bore is from shooting.</p><p></p><p>I realize that this post will not change the minds of some because of there experances with</p><p>this issue . and it was not intended to change anyone's mind just give them a choice to do </p><p>what they want and live with there decision.</p><p></p><p>I will continue to do break in on all of my custom rifles because it works for me and I don't </p><p>mind a little more effort if the results are better.</p><p></p><p>Enough Said</p><p></p><p>J E CUSTOM</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="J E Custom, post: 421792, member: 2736"] This post is not intended to start an argument just clarify the reason that I recomend break in of a new or even a used barrel that was not broken in in the beginning. I read these post and found them to be very interesting and some good points were brought out that bear discussing. and some were ridiculously over stated. The first post talked about How fast you would wear out the barrel if you cleaned every time you shot. one of the numbers was 100 rounds to break in. That's silly now one shoots and cleans 100 times. The second post talks about a truth telling Bore scope (I have one to) and I am sure that they know how to interpret there findings. I made my living as a metallurgical Inspector and I do know what I see and the difference between barrels that have been broken in "properly". First let me say that I do not care if someone agrees or disagrees with my findings because they have a right to there on opinions, and it does not offend me if they disagree with me. That's what makes the world go round. I only know what I see and can prove to myself, I have tried as many things as possible to make barrel life and accuracy better for my self and most of the improvements have been common sense applications. When I first started competition shooting I did like I had allways done with a new rifle Shoot till I was tired and go home and clean for several hours or how ever long it took. The worst case I encountered was a big bore that I shot 50 rounds through it and had enough. so I went home and cleaned for at least 4 hours before I finally got a clean patch. That is when I set out to find a better way. This was a factory rifle and normally they are not lapped like the custom barrels so they require more shots to smooth out the bore so they will clean up easy. (Some never get better , they just fowl). I have had almost every bad experience with barrels that is possible and wanted to stop this and start having fun again . so I started doing different things to try to solve this and hear are "MY" findings. If I started shooting without any cleaning regiment they continued to fowl for ever and even though they got better, they never cleaned up fast. (One or two patches). The custom barrels do much better and the hand lapped are the best about not fowling if they are lapped properly. When you shoot copper fouling can build up, and actually protect the bore from ware but it requires a much more intense cleaning and as stated earlier improper cleaning will do more damage than shooting does. If you do decide to use the/a break in procedure you must know how to properly clean with out damaging the bore (Bore guides,solvent use, type and size of cleaning rod and jags, never from the muzzle and ETC.) but these are things that everyone should know to clean a bore properly. The main reason I like to do break in is that it starts to reach its potential accuracy soon and cleans up easier which minimizes cleaning that can damage the bore. All of the rifles that I used a proper break in procedure, factory or custom clean up fast and require very little brushing . I have not had an barrel shoot out and only set back a few that had washed out the throat in order to restore accuracy. If a person elects to just shoot and clean up when they are through shooting, will continue to have to clean excessively and probably do more damage that good. There are a lot of things that can damage a fine barrel, So I try to keep it clean and free of anything that will shorten its potential life. And after a few shoot and clean break in shots (Normally no more than 8 or 9 I dont even use a brush ,just a cotton swab to apply the solvent and a couple of dry patches and it is clean and when I look at it with the bore light it has no fowling copper or carbon. this way the only damage to the bore is from shooting. I realize that this post will not change the minds of some because of there experances with this issue . and it was not intended to change anyone's mind just give them a choice to do what they want and live with there decision. I will continue to do break in on all of my custom rifles because it works for me and I don't mind a little more effort if the results are better. Enough Said J E CUSTOM [/QUOTE]
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