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<blockquote data-quote="orkan" data-source="post: 2628205" data-attributes="member: 25377"><p>After rolling this thread around in my head all day, and reading this post... I can come up with no realistic way I can participate in the discussion without seeming like I'm demeaning others contributions. It's unfortunate, because I don't want to do that, but at the same time how in the world can I politely say that if sub-moa at 200 is the delta by which we're defining success of as nuanced a technique or process as this, how can we learn anything at all? Most factory rifles with inexpensive factory ammo can best that. I've honestly no idea how I can even frame that discussion without sounding arrogant or diminishing other posters. How can the determination of a process or variable be defined as positive or negative, if we can't first all get on the same page about what level of performance constitutes whether the process or variable matters?</p><p></p><p>This topic, like so many others, carries a drastically skewed participant ratio. The number of people that enjoy discussing it, to the number of people that have adequately run it to ground sufficient to have drawn a conclusion, is quite unbalanced. I've spent more effort, money, and time on it than anyone I'm aware of... and until I can think of some other way to demonstrate that beyond what I already have, I just don't know how to approach this other than specific 1-on-1 interaction where the person I'm discussing it with can prove they are invested in a positive outcome.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly the kind of thing I'm speaking about above. At no point did I claim it didn't matter, or anything of the sort. Some extremely critical aspects of this you're not understanding, while simultaneously creating a straw man argument by twisting my words. Suppose you're correct, and you uniform the pockets flawlessly and do not create the very variation you are trying to eliminate. You claim this lets you just seat primers by feel, without the need of an adjustable tool, allowing them to all go to the same spot, correct?</p><p></p><p>What about the fact that a typical lot number of CCI primers will have an anvil protrusion variance of sometimes over 5 thousandths? Sometimes its actually closer to ten thousandths! Are you claiming that variance doesn't matter, or that you can uniform it by feel? Even if that were not so, are you claiming that you can defy the laws of physics and somehow feel the anvil hit in situations with tight pockets or oversize primers or both, in which the friction differential between the primer cup and the primer pocket is greater than the force of the anvil movement? </p><p></p><p>The fact that my work on this subject can be dismissed so easily, precludes my participation at all. I have no obligation to anyone here that supersedes my obligation to the truth. When my methodology, products, patents, videos, articles, and <strong><em>all previous works for the past decade</em></strong> on ignition systems can be reduced to that ridiculous straw man argument... there just isn't anything more to be said. I most certainly won't be drawn into an argument to defend things <strong><em>I didn't say.</em></strong> </p><p></p><p>Some people need a tremendous amount of experience before they accept something as truth. Other people will accept something just because it happened to pass through their mind one time. </p><p></p><p>Who am I to judge? </p><p></p><p>Peoples performances on target tell me everything I need to know about their ability to discern what is true and what is not. The next time I see a thread like this, I pray I have the ability to ignore it. Today, I clearly failed. </p><p></p><p></p><p>----------- </p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/primalrights" target="_blank">Follow on Instagram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/primalrights" target="_blank">Subscribe on YouTube</a></p><p><a href="https://amzn.to/3txlBnp" target="_blank">Amazon Affiliate</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.primalrights.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://primalrights.com/images/signatures/sig1.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="orkan, post: 2628205, member: 25377"] After rolling this thread around in my head all day, and reading this post... I can come up with no realistic way I can participate in the discussion without seeming like I'm demeaning others contributions. It's unfortunate, because I don't want to do that, but at the same time how in the world can I politely say that if sub-moa at 200 is the delta by which we're defining success of as nuanced a technique or process as this, how can we learn anything at all? Most factory rifles with inexpensive factory ammo can best that. I've honestly no idea how I can even frame that discussion without sounding arrogant or diminishing other posters. How can the determination of a process or variable be defined as positive or negative, if we can't first all get on the same page about what level of performance constitutes whether the process or variable matters? This topic, like so many others, carries a drastically skewed participant ratio. The number of people that enjoy discussing it, to the number of people that have adequately run it to ground sufficient to have drawn a conclusion, is quite unbalanced. I've spent more effort, money, and time on it than anyone I'm aware of... and until I can think of some other way to demonstrate that beyond what I already have, I just don't know how to approach this other than specific 1-on-1 interaction where the person I'm discussing it with can prove they are invested in a positive outcome. Exactly the kind of thing I'm speaking about above. At no point did I claim it didn't matter, or anything of the sort. Some extremely critical aspects of this you're not understanding, while simultaneously creating a straw man argument by twisting my words. Suppose you're correct, and you uniform the pockets flawlessly and do not create the very variation you are trying to eliminate. You claim this lets you just seat primers by feel, without the need of an adjustable tool, allowing them to all go to the same spot, correct? What about the fact that a typical lot number of CCI primers will have an anvil protrusion variance of sometimes over 5 thousandths? Sometimes its actually closer to ten thousandths! Are you claiming that variance doesn't matter, or that you can uniform it by feel? Even if that were not so, are you claiming that you can defy the laws of physics and somehow feel the anvil hit in situations with tight pockets or oversize primers or both, in which the friction differential between the primer cup and the primer pocket is greater than the force of the anvil movement? The fact that my work on this subject can be dismissed so easily, precludes my participation at all. I have no obligation to anyone here that supersedes my obligation to the truth. When my methodology, products, patents, videos, articles, and [B][I]all previous works for the past decade[/I][/B] on ignition systems can be reduced to that ridiculous straw man argument... there just isn't anything more to be said. I most certainly won't be drawn into an argument to defend things [B][I]I didn't say.[/I][/B] Some people need a tremendous amount of experience before they accept something as truth. Other people will accept something just because it happened to pass through their mind one time. Who am I to judge? Peoples performances on target tell me everything I need to know about their ability to discern what is true and what is not. The next time I see a thread like this, I pray I have the ability to ignore it. Today, I clearly failed. ----------- [URL='https://www.instagram.com/primalrights']Follow on Instagram[/URL] [URL='https://www.youtube.com/user/primalrights']Subscribe on YouTube[/URL] [URL='https://amzn.to/3txlBnp']Amazon Affiliate[/URL] [URL='http://www.primalrights.com'][IMG]http://primalrights.com/images/signatures/sig1.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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