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<blockquote data-quote="milo-2" data-source="post: 2131786" data-attributes="member: 33622"><p>I would say I am leaning more on the side of speculation, not sure how a guy could secure proof.</p><p>Let's use primers, if one thinks about it, let's say 50% are being bought for consumer use at "normal" prices, and 50% are being bought for resale at inflated prices, Giving the average American shooter the nod here, what pct of the primers are now off limits to the average guy. I am not paying and will wait. The people over paying are a small pct in the grand pic. I actually don't know anyone personally over paying, yet people still are.</p><p>One thing most of us as consumers can never do is backtrack price increases, manufacturing level, wholesale-distributor level, or retail, or combined.</p><p>What I have seen for sale from reputable places is a 10-30% increase on powder and primers, given the current climate, way acceptable.</p><p>I have a friend that manufactures ammo, so I get info, may be safe to say you can buy primers at Scheels right now cheaper than his costs going through a distributor. One thing he has though is the ability to buy 100,000 times more than you, and have the ability to be restocked. Prices get passed along. Easy to deal with, key here is not to overbuy at the wrong time.</p><p>On your final comment, just say Vista outdoors controls almost all aspects of the cost of their ammo except powder, probably a miniscule cost to them even now. Well, they are not alone here as giants in the industry, yet cannot control the prices because they cannot produce enough to satisfy the demand. < So that puts us in the vicious cycle again, only a certain amount of reasonably priced ammo is for sale. How does S-G ammo need 45 a box, when Sportmans and Scheels need 18? S-G probably moves 100 times more ammo in 1 yr.</p><p>You know the picture I am painting here, if you are a guy making money on your investment, I do not care, 2-8lb jugs of RL16 and I am set for 6yrs, I am not engaging.</p><p>So I really should not be vocal about it, other than to point out that as consumers, we control our own destiny here, choose wisely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="milo-2, post: 2131786, member: 33622"] I would say I am leaning more on the side of speculation, not sure how a guy could secure proof. Let's use primers, if one thinks about it, let's say 50% are being bought for consumer use at "normal" prices, and 50% are being bought for resale at inflated prices, Giving the average American shooter the nod here, what pct of the primers are now off limits to the average guy. I am not paying and will wait. The people over paying are a small pct in the grand pic. I actually don't know anyone personally over paying, yet people still are. One thing most of us as consumers can never do is backtrack price increases, manufacturing level, wholesale-distributor level, or retail, or combined. What I have seen for sale from reputable places is a 10-30% increase on powder and primers, given the current climate, way acceptable. I have a friend that manufactures ammo, so I get info, may be safe to say you can buy primers at Scheels right now cheaper than his costs going through a distributor. One thing he has though is the ability to buy 100,000 times more than you, and have the ability to be restocked. Prices get passed along. Easy to deal with, key here is not to overbuy at the wrong time. On your final comment, just say Vista outdoors controls almost all aspects of the cost of their ammo except powder, probably a miniscule cost to them even now. Well, they are not alone here as giants in the industry, yet cannot control the prices because they cannot produce enough to satisfy the demand. < So that puts us in the vicious cycle again, only a certain amount of reasonably priced ammo is for sale. How does S-G ammo need 45 a box, when Sportmans and Scheels need 18? S-G probably moves 100 times more ammo in 1 yr. You know the picture I am painting here, if you are a guy making money on your investment, I do not care, 2-8lb jugs of RL16 and I am set for 6yrs, I am not engaging. So I really should not be vocal about it, other than to point out that as consumers, we control our own destiny here, choose wisely. [/QUOTE]
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