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<blockquote data-quote="nmbarta" data-source="post: 2131429" data-attributes="member: 78438"><p>There is a difference between gouging, hoarding, and investing. If you've been through this before, and you knew it would happen again and you chose to invest in primers when you could buy 10 bricks and leave plenty for everyone else, you either invested in your future of shooting, or you invested in a product that you had the foresight to see that it would be in short supply, and figured somebody wasn't paying attention and you'd double your money. That is literally how all investing works, some investments are better than others....primers would have been a good one a year or so ago.</p><p></p><p>Most "hoarding" happens during low price times. (That's when I hoard) If your hoarding now, your gonna lose in the long run. Hoarding during low demand times doesn't effect the market during high demand times because the person buying up a bunch of say "primers" when the demand as been met only created more primers. Meaning that had he not bought them at that time, they would never have been produced. So if you think somebody is an A hole because he bought 50,000 primers that wouldn't even exist if he didn't buy them.....take a nice long look in the mirror.....you'll find your problem right there.</p><p></p><p>It sucks, but it's very basic, and it's how things stabilize eventually. This is a classic "bubble", ammo and reloading components have gone WAY beyond what they are worth, this drives speculation on value, (but the actual value did not change) which drives investing in these products at inflated prices, which drives the price even higher. Too many people seeing value where there is none, they've based their investment purely on speculation that the price will continue to increase, but it can't forever. The bubble eventually pops, leaving a bunch of fools with bricks of primers that might not even be worth what they retail for because the supply caught up, and then the fools try to "dump" their "asset" while the price is stabilizing, which further increases the supply while the demand is stabilizing. This creates a very sharp drop in price which will likely drop below the prices before the bubble, ( This is where I like to buy stuff!!!) until demand catches back up with supply.</p><p></p><p>Price gouging does not exist outside of needs. If I advertise 1000 rounds of 556 for 1500.00 bucks, I'm not gouging anyone, I don't have to sell it, don't want to sell it, and you don't need it. If you choose to pay me for it, your fool, and it doesn't really matter who ripped you off, somebody was going to get your money anyway. </p><p></p><p>I don't do this, I don't need to. You do have to understand that much of this stuff would not be for sale if it wasn't for the inflated prices, it's an important point that isn't being brought up. Your seeing a lot of people selling stuff that they don't want to sell....but as they say "everything is for sale".</p><p></p><p>Obviously, there are some vultures out there, but that's nothing new.....they are always there preying one the weak, just so happens they're playing in our world at the moment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nmbarta, post: 2131429, member: 78438"] There is a difference between gouging, hoarding, and investing. If you've been through this before, and you knew it would happen again and you chose to invest in primers when you could buy 10 bricks and leave plenty for everyone else, you either invested in your future of shooting, or you invested in a product that you had the foresight to see that it would be in short supply, and figured somebody wasn't paying attention and you'd double your money. That is literally how all investing works, some investments are better than others....primers would have been a good one a year or so ago. Most "hoarding" happens during low price times. (That's when I hoard) If your hoarding now, your gonna lose in the long run. Hoarding during low demand times doesn't effect the market during high demand times because the person buying up a bunch of say "primers" when the demand as been met only created more primers. Meaning that had he not bought them at that time, they would never have been produced. So if you think somebody is an A hole because he bought 50,000 primers that wouldn't even exist if he didn't buy them.....take a nice long look in the mirror.....you'll find your problem right there. It sucks, but it's very basic, and it's how things stabilize eventually. This is a classic "bubble", ammo and reloading components have gone WAY beyond what they are worth, this drives speculation on value, (but the actual value did not change) which drives investing in these products at inflated prices, which drives the price even higher. Too many people seeing value where there is none, they've based their investment purely on speculation that the price will continue to increase, but it can't forever. The bubble eventually pops, leaving a bunch of fools with bricks of primers that might not even be worth what they retail for because the supply caught up, and then the fools try to "dump" their "asset" while the price is stabilizing, which further increases the supply while the demand is stabilizing. This creates a very sharp drop in price which will likely drop below the prices before the bubble, ( This is where I like to buy stuff!!!) until demand catches back up with supply. Price gouging does not exist outside of needs. If I advertise 1000 rounds of 556 for 1500.00 bucks, I'm not gouging anyone, I don't have to sell it, don't want to sell it, and you don't need it. If you choose to pay me for it, your fool, and it doesn't really matter who ripped you off, somebody was going to get your money anyway. I don't do this, I don't need to. You do have to understand that much of this stuff would not be for sale if it wasn't for the inflated prices, it's an important point that isn't being brought up. Your seeing a lot of people selling stuff that they don't want to sell....but as they say "everything is for sale". Obviously, there are some vultures out there, but that's nothing new.....they are always there preying one the weak, just so happens they're playing in our world at the moment. [/QUOTE]
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