Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
Articles
Latest reviews
Author list
Classifieds
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles and first posts only
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Forums
Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment
Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics
Possible New Bullet Venture
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 835548" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>Peter,</p><p></p><p>I learned a heck of a lot in my time in the AF.</p><p></p><p>$60-$70 per box is spendy, but if it provides me with an accurate and effective LR hunting bullet, I'll buy them. I won't buy many, just enough for my needs, For other types of shooting I might develop a load of less expensive bullets or use a dedicated rifles for LR hunting and other shooting using less expensive bullets for the majority of my shooting.</p><p></p><p>The CE bullets are in that price range, but they offer a lot of benefit. They are cnc machined (part of the high cost) and so each one is identical to the other. Virtually no variance in dimension or weight. In larger cals, they are very effective at ALL ranges and can be used for for any type of shot. In the smaller cals, their ability to expand at longer ranges seems to dimish, but are at least excellent in the short and mid ranges. With the development of the tipped Lazer bullets, the lighter bullets will likely expand more reliably but that remains to be seen. Plastic tips will reduce their BC slightly and introduce some bullet to bullet variance - not much, but some. There are other issues with plastic tips. They do not always act the way they are supposed to.</p><p></p><p>A couple of the big challenges with monolithic bullets is their BC to weight ratio is lower than the more dense lead core bullets. In order for a mono to achieve the same BC as a lead core bullet, it must be at least as heavy, maybe heavier which means it must also be longer which means it will require a greater twist rate. It would be virtually impossible to construct a mono with the same BC as a 284 180 gr hybrid or 308 230 gr hybrid. It would be just too long to stabilize. </p><p></p><p>The advantages are, it's lighter weight can be propelled to greater velocities. Monos can be constructed with minimal bearing surface with the use of bore riding surfaces and driving bands to further increase velocities. So the velocity to weight ratio can be greater than lead core bullets. In the long run, way down range, the higher BC lead core will usually trump, but not by much.</p><p></p><p>In the larger cals, 338 and up, the Monos start to even the score and pull ahead in the LR category, or any category. Heavy, long slender, high BC lead core bullets become more challenging to make.</p><p></p><p>In the 300 RUM I can propel a CEB 200 gr C22 with a BC of about .6 to about 3300 fps. I can propel the 230 gr Hybrid with a BC of .743 to about 3100 fps. The 200 gr CEB gets me to about 1200 yds or farther with 1800 fps of velocity and the 230 Hybrid to about 1300 yds, at the elevations I hunt. </p><p></p><p>The 230 has a slight advantage in range and also an advantage in energy and momentum. The CEB is more predictable at all ranges which is very important to me and it brings more than enough energy and momentum. Also, I am more comfortable making the shoulder or heavy bone shot with the CEB at any range. Always tradeoffs, at least so far.</p><p></p><p>The 230 costs $55/100 while the CEB's cost $136/100.</p><p></p><p>So, if the CEBs prove to be more accurate down range than the 230's, I'll buy them. If they are equally accurate... tough call... I like the attributes of the CEB better.</p><p></p><p>Although the CEB's cost 2 1/2 times as much per bullet, it's small when you factor in all the other costs each time you pull the trigger. But like I said, I wouldn't be buying them just for plinking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 835548, member: 11717"] Peter, I learned a heck of a lot in my time in the AF. $60-$70 per box is spendy, but if it provides me with an accurate and effective LR hunting bullet, I'll buy them. I won't buy many, just enough for my needs, For other types of shooting I might develop a load of less expensive bullets or use a dedicated rifles for LR hunting and other shooting using less expensive bullets for the majority of my shooting. The CE bullets are in that price range, but they offer a lot of benefit. They are cnc machined (part of the high cost) and so each one is identical to the other. Virtually no variance in dimension or weight. In larger cals, they are very effective at ALL ranges and can be used for for any type of shot. In the smaller cals, their ability to expand at longer ranges seems to dimish, but are at least excellent in the short and mid ranges. With the development of the tipped Lazer bullets, the lighter bullets will likely expand more reliably but that remains to be seen. Plastic tips will reduce their BC slightly and introduce some bullet to bullet variance - not much, but some. There are other issues with plastic tips. They do not always act the way they are supposed to. A couple of the big challenges with monolithic bullets is their BC to weight ratio is lower than the more dense lead core bullets. In order for a mono to achieve the same BC as a lead core bullet, it must be at least as heavy, maybe heavier which means it must also be longer which means it will require a greater twist rate. It would be virtually impossible to construct a mono with the same BC as a 284 180 gr hybrid or 308 230 gr hybrid. It would be just too long to stabilize. The advantages are, it's lighter weight can be propelled to greater velocities. Monos can be constructed with minimal bearing surface with the use of bore riding surfaces and driving bands to further increase velocities. So the velocity to weight ratio can be greater than lead core bullets. In the long run, way down range, the higher BC lead core will usually trump, but not by much. In the larger cals, 338 and up, the Monos start to even the score and pull ahead in the LR category, or any category. Heavy, long slender, high BC lead core bullets become more challenging to make. In the 300 RUM I can propel a CEB 200 gr C22 with a BC of about .6 to about 3300 fps. I can propel the 230 gr Hybrid with a BC of .743 to about 3100 fps. The 200 gr CEB gets me to about 1200 yds or farther with 1800 fps of velocity and the 230 Hybrid to about 1300 yds, at the elevations I hunt. The 230 has a slight advantage in range and also an advantage in energy and momentum. The CEB is more predictable at all ranges which is very important to me and it brings more than enough energy and momentum. Also, I am more comfortable making the shoulder or heavy bone shot with the CEB at any range. Always tradeoffs, at least so far. The 230 costs $55/100 while the CEB's cost $136/100. So, if the CEBs prove to be more accurate down range than the 230's, I'll buy them. If they are equally accurate... tough call... I like the attributes of the CEB better. Although the CEB's cost 2 1/2 times as much per bullet, it's small when you factor in all the other costs each time you pull the trigger. But like I said, I wouldn't be buying them just for plinking. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment
Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics
Possible New Bullet Venture
Top