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<blockquote data-quote="ENCORE" data-source="post: 1079202" data-attributes="member: 33046"><p>Welcome to the "I don't know" club. <a href="http://www.sherv.net/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/guns/shoot-me.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p> </p><p>This issue has been debated on many forums for years. Barrels are different, all of them and even from the same manufacturer. Rifle A,B and C are built one right after the other. Rifle A doesn't shoot for beans regardless. Rifle B shoots perfect first shot from the box. Rifle C - Z shoot excellent after the barrel is fouled.</p><p>Some guys get lucky with a barrel or two, but there's a much larger group where fouling is required. Those guys with a rifle that doesn't need fouling, will argue to the death their process works. The guys who's rifles require fouling try their methods and they won't work and are right back to square one......... And the debate continues.</p><p> </p><p>I've had a lot of Encore and Pro Hunter rifles, but never needed more than two fouling shots in any of them. The fouling shots would not have been necessary had all my hunting shots been 100yds or less. However I've hunted for years where a first shot may be at 200 too. That required me to foul the barrel and trust me, popping a couple caps DID NOT work for those rifles. About the only thing that popping a couple primers did, was to coat the inside of the barrel with the non-corrosive primer residue...... which in itself isn't a bad thing to do. Swabbing a barrel IS NOT cleaning the barrel like one was putting the rifle away for a couple months. Swabbing ONLY removes the largest amounts of residue inside the barrel.</p><p> </p><p>You could do it the hard way, which would be shoot just one (1) shot, <u>completely clean the barrel as you would to put it up</u>. Then shoot one (1) shot again and repeat this process until you had a FIRST SHOT ZERO from an actual clean barrel. Have fun with that.........</p><p>(Note: what happens when you need a follow up shot or maybe two?)</p><p> </p><p>You could try a tighter sabot and/or bullet combination, which .... may or may not... help. It may only improve your current 4 shots down to 2 required. FYI, I've tried it and had no luck.</p><p> </p><p>Not everything in muzzleloading is perfect, especially with all the different production rifles. In some cases it may require fouling and there's just no way around it if you may have long first shots. The good thing about BH, is its non-hydroscopic and its corrosion properties are very minimal. I always fouled my barrels a couple days before season, loaded them right back up and was ready on opening day. Unless I got caught in the pouring rain for fell in a creek, it remained loaded for the 15 day season and not a single time, not once, did I ever have a problem with corrosion. If I got caught in the pouring rain, once I got through hunting, I'd fire off the round and reload. However I never take my rifles from the cold into the warmth or, from any moisture without using an oiled rag to wipe it completely down. My Ultimate when shooting off the lead sled, is the first rifle I've never had to foul the barrel with. However, shooting off the shoulder and front rest the other day, did throw the first shot, which most likely was ME. However I'll be keeping track.</p><p> </p><p>Its part of shooting production muzzleloaders and you're not the first and won't be the last. Lucky are those who get the same POI from a clean rifle as fouled. Thank goodness BH isn't like black, pyro or T7.</p><p> </p><p>I actually did a test target, using my Pro Hunter to show how fouling shots brought the rifle back to my POI while shooting..</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/BarnesAddict/media/foulingexample_zps9a02b3ac.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o800/BarnesAddict/foulingexample_zps9a02b3ac.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ENCORE, post: 1079202, member: 33046"] Welcome to the "I don't know" club. [URL=http://www.sherv.net/][IMG]http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/guns/shoot-me.gif[/IMG][/URL] This issue has been debated on many forums for years. Barrels are different, all of them and even from the same manufacturer. Rifle A,B and C are built one right after the other. Rifle A doesn't shoot for beans regardless. Rifle B shoots perfect first shot from the box. Rifle C - Z shoot excellent after the barrel is fouled. Some guys get lucky with a barrel or two, but there's a much larger group where fouling is required. Those guys with a rifle that doesn't need fouling, will argue to the death their process works. The guys who's rifles require fouling try their methods and they won't work and are right back to square one......... And the debate continues. I've had a lot of Encore and Pro Hunter rifles, but never needed more than two fouling shots in any of them. The fouling shots would not have been necessary had all my hunting shots been 100yds or less. However I've hunted for years where a first shot may be at 200 too. That required me to foul the barrel and trust me, popping a couple caps DID NOT work for those rifles. About the only thing that popping a couple primers did, was to coat the inside of the barrel with the non-corrosive primer residue...... which in itself isn't a bad thing to do. Swabbing a barrel IS NOT cleaning the barrel like one was putting the rifle away for a couple months. Swabbing ONLY removes the largest amounts of residue inside the barrel. You could do it the hard way, which would be shoot just one (1) shot, [U]completely clean the barrel as you would to put it up[/U]. Then shoot one (1) shot again and repeat this process until you had a FIRST SHOT ZERO from an actual clean barrel. Have fun with that......... (Note: what happens when you need a follow up shot or maybe two?) You could try a tighter sabot and/or bullet combination, which .... may or may not... help. It may only improve your current 4 shots down to 2 required. FYI, I've tried it and had no luck. Not everything in muzzleloading is perfect, especially with all the different production rifles. In some cases it may require fouling and there's just no way around it if you may have long first shots. The good thing about BH, is its non-hydroscopic and its corrosion properties are very minimal. I always fouled my barrels a couple days before season, loaded them right back up and was ready on opening day. Unless I got caught in the pouring rain for fell in a creek, it remained loaded for the 15 day season and not a single time, not once, did I ever have a problem with corrosion. If I got caught in the pouring rain, once I got through hunting, I'd fire off the round and reload. However I never take my rifles from the cold into the warmth or, from any moisture without using an oiled rag to wipe it completely down. My Ultimate when shooting off the lead sled, is the first rifle I've never had to foul the barrel with. However, shooting off the shoulder and front rest the other day, did throw the first shot, which most likely was ME. However I'll be keeping track. Its part of shooting production muzzleloaders and you're not the first and won't be the last. Lucky are those who get the same POI from a clean rifle as fouled. Thank goodness BH isn't like black, pyro or T7. I actually did a test target, using my Pro Hunter to show how fouling shots brought the rifle back to my POI while shooting.. [URL=http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/BarnesAddict/media/foulingexample_zps9a02b3ac.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o800/BarnesAddict/foulingexample_zps9a02b3ac.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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