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<blockquote data-quote="CrankyYankee" data-source="post: 2414526" data-attributes="member: 90145"><p>I look at it a different way. 2 ways that kill. Disconnect electrical signals from the brain or drop the blood pressure of oxygenated blood below the level needed to sustain life. Over pressure of blood supply is included in "dropping" blood pressure since a rapid increase in pressure results in a rapid decrease in pressure. Either way... ample penetration is needed to accomplish both. Ample penetration can mean a few inches if tucked in behind the ear, or alot more if blowing through the shoulder of big game on the way through the vital organs needed to produce oxygenated blood.</p><p></p><p>How much penetration I want depends on the animal and distance hunted. Then the bullet is chosen to accomplish said penetration.</p><p></p><p>For hunting whitetail deer with Hornady 110 grain TAP (Vmax) in 308, I'll wait for broadside or quartering away. Or maybe ear canal if I'm confident I can make the shot. On a broadside deer hit with that bullet correctly, the insides look like jelly from the liver all the way up the esophagus (over pressure). I don't care what the bullet does after that. None have ever taken more than a few steps and no bullet has ever exited.</p><p></p><p>I also shoot Barnes TTSX when I want penetration. This is usually when I want to anchor in place. So I place my shots to take out at least 1 shoulder along with the vitals. Last day of a mule deer hunt 20 yards from the property edge and quartering to...I needed to anchor the deer. I could always deliver another shot if needed. 120 TTSX through the shoulder anchored him. Turns out I got the heart too. I would not have taken that shot with a fragmenting bullet. I would have waited until he turned broadside or quartering away, and maybe spent $6K on a hunt to eat tag soup.</p><p></p><p>So.... stay in or pass through??? I don't care as long as the bullet penetrates to the desired effect. However not all shots go as planned, and tracking ensues. So based on the possibility that desired placement is missed, a blood trail makes it easier to track. And I don't think anyone will argue that 2 holes are better for that than 1.</p><p></p><p>I've hand a TTSX pencil through broadside when I shot too far back (aiming for shoulder but deer spooked as I was pulling the trigger). No blood and nothing to track, but found the deer with a grid search. Just had to wait for the blood pressure to drop. But if using a fragmenting bullet on a broadside deer hits the shoulder because of movement, the result is unpredictable with any certainty, but the possibility of wounding without recovery becomes real.</p><p></p><p>Terminal Ballistics is not an exact science, but we can hopefully put the odds in our favor with good decisions. There are too many variables to predict guarantees. My vote... adequate penetration for the bullet to perform to the intended effect with a little more penetration as insurance. Whether the bullet stays in or exits, I don't care.</p><p></p><p>Oh... and if I was worried about what was behind the animal on pass through, I wouldn't be taking the shot.</p><p></p><p>Not saying one is right and one is wrong, but these conversations are good for learning... especially with new hunters to better make an informed decision.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CrankyYankee, post: 2414526, member: 90145"] I look at it a different way. 2 ways that kill. Disconnect electrical signals from the brain or drop the blood pressure of oxygenated blood below the level needed to sustain life. Over pressure of blood supply is included in "dropping" blood pressure since a rapid increase in pressure results in a rapid decrease in pressure. Either way... ample penetration is needed to accomplish both. Ample penetration can mean a few inches if tucked in behind the ear, or alot more if blowing through the shoulder of big game on the way through the vital organs needed to produce oxygenated blood. How much penetration I want depends on the animal and distance hunted. Then the bullet is chosen to accomplish said penetration. For hunting whitetail deer with Hornady 110 grain TAP (Vmax) in 308, I'll wait for broadside or quartering away. Or maybe ear canal if I'm confident I can make the shot. On a broadside deer hit with that bullet correctly, the insides look like jelly from the liver all the way up the esophagus (over pressure). I don't care what the bullet does after that. None have ever taken more than a few steps and no bullet has ever exited. I also shoot Barnes TTSX when I want penetration. This is usually when I want to anchor in place. So I place my shots to take out at least 1 shoulder along with the vitals. Last day of a mule deer hunt 20 yards from the property edge and quartering to...I needed to anchor the deer. I could always deliver another shot if needed. 120 TTSX through the shoulder anchored him. Turns out I got the heart too. I would not have taken that shot with a fragmenting bullet. I would have waited until he turned broadside or quartering away, and maybe spent $6K on a hunt to eat tag soup. So.... stay in or pass through??? I don't care as long as the bullet penetrates to the desired effect. However not all shots go as planned, and tracking ensues. So based on the possibility that desired placement is missed, a blood trail makes it easier to track. And I don't think anyone will argue that 2 holes are better for that than 1. I've hand a TTSX pencil through broadside when I shot too far back (aiming for shoulder but deer spooked as I was pulling the trigger). No blood and nothing to track, but found the deer with a grid search. Just had to wait for the blood pressure to drop. But if using a fragmenting bullet on a broadside deer hits the shoulder because of movement, the result is unpredictable with any certainty, but the possibility of wounding without recovery becomes real. Terminal Ballistics is not an exact science, but we can hopefully put the odds in our favor with good decisions. There are too many variables to predict guarantees. My vote... adequate penetration for the bullet to perform to the intended effect with a little more penetration as insurance. Whether the bullet stays in or exits, I don't care. Oh... and if I was worried about what was behind the animal on pass through, I wouldn't be taking the shot. Not saying one is right and one is wrong, but these conversations are good for learning... especially with new hunters to better make an informed decision. [/QUOTE]
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