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<blockquote data-quote="kraig" data-source="post: 1652150" data-attributes="member: 108101"><p>Not a supporter of Vortex but not a hater either. I've worked up through the Vortex lines over the years starting with crossfires, then viper, then PST, now Razor. There are several other companies that have life time warranties now and I'll say that is probably thanks to Vortex.</p><p></p><p>With that said what I do these days is I stick ziess for my simple point blank hunting rifles. Its just hard to beat the glass for the price in the lower magnification. For my tactical rigs we are moving from PST(s) to Razor(s) and I think I'll be happy there for quite some time. I'm sure I'll have to try a Nightforce or March or some other 2000+ scope eventually just because.</p><p></p><p>Crossfires, I've broken 2 of them 2 times on a Rem700 SPS Tactical .308 due to shooting volume. This gun saw thousands of rounds and in time the crosshairs came loose on the inside. Eventually we put the crossfires on .223 until they were sold. I actually liked the scopes for cheap scopes and didn't expect them to perform at dawn.</p><p></p><p>The viper(s) we put on the .223 only saw about 500 rounds, definitely a step up from crossfires. About twice as good for twice the price, go figure. I liked how these felt to look through because it didn't feel like I was looking thru a straw. Might be due to the 40mm objective?</p><p></p><p>On the tacticals we started with SWFA fixed power scopes and to be honest for day time shooting I still really like them. I like the reticle and I like the eyebox. BUT this isn't about SWFA now is it. We moved up to Vortex PST gen1 scopes. I don't love the PST gen1 because they have limited adjustability compared to the SWFA so a 20moa rail was needed to get out there past 1000. The gen1 PST does have the looking through a straw going on a little bit. (they fixed this in the gen2). The PST(s) are now going on 500+ rounds and still track well and hold zero. (6.5cm & .308) One note is that you must be careful to follow torque specs because the tubes are not ultra heavy duty. One of our PST scopes we bought used and the previous owner put a level on it, over tightened, crushed the tube enough to mess up the elevator mechanism. Vortex took it back, fixed it and we have been happy ever since. Vortex also told me how to get the spray paint off the scope wo/screwing it up, I really thought that would void the warranty. It did not. As a side note the Gen2 PST(s) are FAR superior to the gen1 because they took several of the razor features and put them into them. The eyebox is much improved along with other things.</p><p></p><p>On the long range tacticals for shooting 1400-2500 yards we have gone to using gen1 Vortex Razor(s) on a hot 7mag & 300prc. (only about 300 rounds though the 7mag) These are heavy scopes but they have more adjustment by far and I like everything about them better than the PST. They have zero stop, they track well, they have not been broken yet and the eyebox doesn't have any resemblance of looking through a staw. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another razor used but brand new they are really close in price to other high end scopes that it is just time to try. Really once you are spending 2000 bucks how hard is it to justify 2400 and just wait a little longer to save up? Buy once, cry once.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kraig, post: 1652150, member: 108101"] Not a supporter of Vortex but not a hater either. I've worked up through the Vortex lines over the years starting with crossfires, then viper, then PST, now Razor. There are several other companies that have life time warranties now and I'll say that is probably thanks to Vortex. With that said what I do these days is I stick ziess for my simple point blank hunting rifles. Its just hard to beat the glass for the price in the lower magnification. For my tactical rigs we are moving from PST(s) to Razor(s) and I think I'll be happy there for quite some time. I'm sure I'll have to try a Nightforce or March or some other 2000+ scope eventually just because. Crossfires, I've broken 2 of them 2 times on a Rem700 SPS Tactical .308 due to shooting volume. This gun saw thousands of rounds and in time the crosshairs came loose on the inside. Eventually we put the crossfires on .223 until they were sold. I actually liked the scopes for cheap scopes and didn't expect them to perform at dawn. The viper(s) we put on the .223 only saw about 500 rounds, definitely a step up from crossfires. About twice as good for twice the price, go figure. I liked how these felt to look through because it didn't feel like I was looking thru a straw. Might be due to the 40mm objective? On the tacticals we started with SWFA fixed power scopes and to be honest for day time shooting I still really like them. I like the reticle and I like the eyebox. BUT this isn't about SWFA now is it. We moved up to Vortex PST gen1 scopes. I don't love the PST gen1 because they have limited adjustability compared to the SWFA so a 20moa rail was needed to get out there past 1000. The gen1 PST does have the looking through a straw going on a little bit. (they fixed this in the gen2). The PST(s) are now going on 500+ rounds and still track well and hold zero. (6.5cm & .308) One note is that you must be careful to follow torque specs because the tubes are not ultra heavy duty. One of our PST scopes we bought used and the previous owner put a level on it, over tightened, crushed the tube enough to mess up the elevator mechanism. Vortex took it back, fixed it and we have been happy ever since. Vortex also told me how to get the spray paint off the scope wo/screwing it up, I really thought that would void the warranty. It did not. As a side note the Gen2 PST(s) are FAR superior to the gen1 because they took several of the razor features and put them into them. The eyebox is much improved along with other things. On the long range tacticals for shooting 1400-2500 yards we have gone to using gen1 Vortex Razor(s) on a hot 7mag & 300prc. (only about 300 rounds though the 7mag) These are heavy scopes but they have more adjustment by far and I like everything about them better than the PST. They have zero stop, they track well, they have not been broken yet and the eyebox doesn't have any resemblance of looking through a staw. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another razor used but brand new they are really close in price to other high end scopes that it is just time to try. Really once you are spending 2000 bucks how hard is it to justify 2400 and just wait a little longer to save up? Buy once, cry once. [/QUOTE]
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