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<blockquote data-quote="Riflehunter1776" data-source="post: 1621556" data-attributes="member: 103369"><p>No, let's set the record straight. </p><p></p><p>As far as the red flag laws and the NRA, I see "the NRA supports it" statements to that effect on various anti-gun websites like Everytown for gun safety, Bloomberg news, etc. </p><p></p><p>But what I see from the NRA is</p><p></p><p><em>"Nobody wants dangerous people to have access to firearms which is why the NRA supports risk protection orders that <strong>respects the due process of rights</strong> and ensures those found mentally ill receive the care they need. <strong>Most of the red flag laws passed last year, unfortunately, do none of that</strong>," according to National Rifle Association's Catherine Mortensen.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>"N<strong>ot only do they fail to provide any sort of mental health treatment but they allow the state to deny law-abiding gun owners their due process of rights.</strong> If the state can deny due process to these law-abiding residents then what's to stop them from denying any right to any group of people?"</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>and another example in texas:</p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Over the holiday weekend, a conservative "taxpayer watchdog" group sent out an email to its contact list which gave the impression that NRA-ILA does not oppose "red flag" legislation in Texas. One wonders what the organization hoped to accomplish by confusing and attempting to divide the gun community in this way.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>NRA-ILA submitted written testimony to the House Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence at their June 25, 2018 interim hearing on red flag legislation, questioning the need for any additional statutes in Texas to address dangerous persons with mental illnesses having access to firearms, and <strong>outlining our opposition to red flag bills in other states that were considering such proposals at the time</strong>.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><strong>NRA-ILA provided verbal testimony in opposition to red flag legislation</strong>, raising the same points, during the July 24, 2018 hearing held before the Senate Select Committee on Violence in Schools & School Security.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><strong>NRA-ILA alerted its membership to the introduction of anti-gun legislation, including proposed red flag measures</strong> House Bill 131 by Rep. Joe Moody (D-El Paso) and Senate Bill 157 by Sen. Jose Rodriguez (D-El Paso), prior to the Texas Legislature convening or the bills even </em>receiving a committee referral<em>.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><strong>NRA-ILA strongly opposes HB 131 and SB 157. </strong>These bills could allow a court to require an individual to surrender firearms to law enforcement, based on statements made by a petitioner in an <em>ex parte</em> proceeding -- before any formal hearing with the opportunity to be represented by counsel and present counter-evidence -- and even though they may not have committed or even threatened to commit any unlawful or violent act. Someone could be stripped of their Second Amendment rights without due process, without being taken into custody for any criminal offense or without being required to undergo evaluation for treatment by a mental health professional. </em></p><p><em></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Riflehunter1776, post: 1621556, member: 103369"] No, let's set the record straight. As far as the red flag laws and the NRA, I see "the NRA supports it" statements to that effect on various anti-gun websites like Everytown for gun safety, Bloomberg news, etc. But what I see from the NRA is [I]“Nobody wants dangerous people to have access to firearms which is why the NRA supports risk protection orders that [B]respects the due process of rights[/B] and ensures those found mentally ill receive the care they need. [B]Most of the red flag laws passed last year, unfortunately, do none of that[/B],” according to National Rifle Association’s Catherine Mortensen. “N[B]ot only do they fail to provide any sort of mental health treatment but they allow the state to deny law-abiding gun owners their due process of rights.[/B] If the state can deny due process to these law-abiding residents then what’s to stop them from denying any right to any group of people?” [/I] and another example in texas: [I] Over the holiday weekend, a conservative "taxpayer watchdog" group sent out an email to its contact list which gave the impression that NRA-ILA does not oppose "red flag" legislation in Texas. One wonders what the organization hoped to accomplish by confusing and attempting to divide the gun community in this way. NRA-ILA submitted written testimony to the House Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence at their June 25, 2018 interim hearing on red flag legislation, questioning the need for any additional statutes in Texas to address dangerous persons with mental illnesses having access to firearms, and [B]outlining our opposition to red flag bills in other states that were considering such proposals at the time[/B]. [B]NRA-ILA provided verbal testimony in opposition to red flag legislation[/B], raising the same points, during the July 24, 2018 hearing held before the Senate Select Committee on Violence in Schools & School Security. [B]NRA-ILA alerted its membership to the introduction of anti-gun legislation, including proposed red flag measures[/B] House Bill 131 by Rep. Joe Moody (D-El Paso) and Senate Bill 157 by Sen. Jose Rodriguez (D-El Paso), prior to the Texas Legislature convening or the bills even [/I]receiving a committee referral[I]. [B]NRA-ILA strongly opposes HB 131 and SB 157. [/B]These bills could allow a court to require an individual to surrender firearms to law enforcement, based on statements made by a petitioner in an [I]ex parte[/I] proceeding -- before any formal hearing with the opportunity to be represented by counsel and present counter-evidence -- and even though they may not have committed or even threatened to commit any unlawful or violent act. Someone could be stripped of their Second Amendment rights without due process, without being taken into custody for any criminal offense or without being required to undergo evaluation for treatment by a mental health professional. [/I] [/QUOTE]
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