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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 208341" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>Bravo 4, I definitely know what you were getting at. I have only ever lost one game animal (deer) in my life and that was my first one in which I attempted a head shot from my tree stand to the small buck right below me. I didn't compensate for the difference of the sight plain and the bullet plain. Long story short, after lot's of tracking and two more shots I had to abandon the chase when the deer went into a residential area. I was totally sick about it. Since then I have made all one shot kills with the exception of a Bigorn ram. The Ram was fatally wounded on the first shot, throught the lungs. He was about 150-200 yds, and stumble forward a couple steps and just stood there. I was using 160 gr partitions out of a 7mm Rem Mag which I have used to take about 90% of my game. I put two more shots in through the lungs and he didn't flinch, just stood there. The fourth I put through the spine and dropped him. When I got him home and skinned him out, the first three entry hole were so close together, you could have covered them with a half dollar. The exit holes were a little larger than nickle sized openings. The 2nd and 3rd shots did very little damage. So bottom line, I don't like loosing game and never want to loose another animal.</p><p> </p><p>Elk are fairly tough animals but not all that tough. I know a guy who has killed 4 with a 243. Two dropped in their tracks, and the other two didn't go far. They were well placed shots at fairly close range. He was also using partitions. A lot of elk die to 243's. The only bull I've taken was at 15 yds with the same 7mm load as described above. His body shook violently and he leaped up, spun around, took one bound and piled up. I know a lot of other elk dropped in their tracks and some that needed tracking. Usually though, a good boiler room shot kills them pretty quick.</p><p> </p><p>Having said that, as already mentioned, I am totally new to long range hunting and have everything to learn. I do appreciate your input, you make valid points that must be considered. Loosing an elk would be a very ugly thing for me. At the same time, I see and read reports of game being taken at ranges, with bullets that are probablty not expanding so I would like to know particulars. i.e. there is a thread in this forum on 1000 yd deer gun. The load is a 6mm, 105 gr A-Max, at 3200fps. When I run the balistics on that that bullet is a little slower than the loads I'm looking at down range, and very doubful about expasion, yet the shooter says he is getting about quarter size exit holes at 900-1000 yds with the farthest shot being over 1600 yds. They have killed a lot of deer, one shot kills and haven't lost one. So I would like to hear more experiences on these longer shots and what performance peolpe are actually seeing with their bullets. </p><p> </p><p>I wont be making any 1000 yd shots any time soon and will probably work up to the long hunting shots gradually after lots of work on the range. Antelope would make a good game animal to learn on. They are relatively delicate animals and easy to observe in the open country they live in.</p><p> </p><p>Once again, I do appreciate your input, that's why I asked the question. I figured there would be a variety of experience and views.</p><p> </p><p>Mark</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 208341, member: 11717"] Bravo 4, I definitely know what you were getting at. I have only ever lost one game animal (deer) in my life and that was my first one in which I attempted a head shot from my tree stand to the small buck right below me. I didn't compensate for the difference of the sight plain and the bullet plain. Long story short, after lot's of tracking and two more shots I had to abandon the chase when the deer went into a residential area. I was totally sick about it. Since then I have made all one shot kills with the exception of a Bigorn ram. The Ram was fatally wounded on the first shot, throught the lungs. He was about 150-200 yds, and stumble forward a couple steps and just stood there. I was using 160 gr partitions out of a 7mm Rem Mag which I have used to take about 90% of my game. I put two more shots in through the lungs and he didn't flinch, just stood there. The fourth I put through the spine and dropped him. When I got him home and skinned him out, the first three entry hole were so close together, you could have covered them with a half dollar. The exit holes were a little larger than nickle sized openings. The 2nd and 3rd shots did very little damage. So bottom line, I don't like loosing game and never want to loose another animal. Elk are fairly tough animals but not all that tough. I know a guy who has killed 4 with a 243. Two dropped in their tracks, and the other two didn't go far. They were well placed shots at fairly close range. He was also using partitions. A lot of elk die to 243's. The only bull I've taken was at 15 yds with the same 7mm load as described above. His body shook violently and he leaped up, spun around, took one bound and piled up. I know a lot of other elk dropped in their tracks and some that needed tracking. Usually though, a good boiler room shot kills them pretty quick. Having said that, as already mentioned, I am totally new to long range hunting and have everything to learn. I do appreciate your input, you make valid points that must be considered. Loosing an elk would be a very ugly thing for me. At the same time, I see and read reports of game being taken at ranges, with bullets that are probablty not expanding so I would like to know particulars. i.e. there is a thread in this forum on 1000 yd deer gun. The load is a 6mm, 105 gr A-Max, at 3200fps. When I run the balistics on that that bullet is a little slower than the loads I'm looking at down range, and very doubful about expasion, yet the shooter says he is getting about quarter size exit holes at 900-1000 yds with the farthest shot being over 1600 yds. They have killed a lot of deer, one shot kills and haven't lost one. So I would like to hear more experiences on these longer shots and what performance peolpe are actually seeing with their bullets. I wont be making any 1000 yd shots any time soon and will probably work up to the long hunting shots gradually after lots of work on the range. Antelope would make a good game animal to learn on. They are relatively delicate animals and easy to observe in the open country they live in. Once again, I do appreciate your input, that's why I asked the question. I figured there would be a variety of experience and views. Mark [/QUOTE]
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