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<blockquote data-quote="ATH" data-source="post: 1490837" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>How do you know shot placement or bullet was the issue, given the fact that you weren't even there and did not observe the shot placement? I have to admit I'm very irritated by keyboard commandos who have to make such uninformed judgements lacking actual facts.</p><p></p><p>The FACT is that this gentlemen was a seasoned hunter and put his rounds where they needed to be, even as the elk was moving after the first shot. His ability was admirable, actually. I helped him with his elk so I know first hand where his bullets hit. However being close in to the elk the noise spooked the elk and he moved as fast as he could, as hard as he could. It simply takes a larger round to "stone dead" elk if they are shot close in and spooked.</p><p></p><p>Shoot the same elk at 600-800 yards when they have no idea what just happened, they are more likely to stand there until they drop. This is a well0known phenomenon in the long range community and so I can't imagine you aren't familiar with it.</p><p></p><p>While many fall elk with 7mms, there is a reason many such as myself favor rounds beginning with .3. Larger calibers simply put these tough animals who live in tough terrain down faster and more reliably. When ranges are described at 500 yds + this advice is only amplified.</p><p></p><p>I've seen more mixed results with 6.5s on elk at any range than larger caliber options. YMMV, but if I had a better option, I'd take it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ATH, post: 1490837, member: 1656"] How do you know shot placement or bullet was the issue, given the fact that you weren't even there and did not observe the shot placement? I have to admit I'm very irritated by keyboard commandos who have to make such uninformed judgements lacking actual facts. The FACT is that this gentlemen was a seasoned hunter and put his rounds where they needed to be, even as the elk was moving after the first shot. His ability was admirable, actually. I helped him with his elk so I know first hand where his bullets hit. However being close in to the elk the noise spooked the elk and he moved as fast as he could, as hard as he could. It simply takes a larger round to "stone dead" elk if they are shot close in and spooked. Shoot the same elk at 600-800 yards when they have no idea what just happened, they are more likely to stand there until they drop. This is a well0known phenomenon in the long range community and so I can't imagine you aren't familiar with it. While many fall elk with 7mms, there is a reason many such as myself favor rounds beginning with .3. Larger calibers simply put these tough animals who live in tough terrain down faster and more reliably. When ranges are described at 500 yds + this advice is only amplified. I've seen more mixed results with 6.5s on elk at any range than larger caliber options. YMMV, but if I had a better option, I'd take it. [/QUOTE]
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