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<blockquote data-quote="dstancu" data-source="post: 3095446" data-attributes="member: 9273"><p>Hi all,</p><p>I always liked this forum because I found a relatively high level of knowledge, expertise, and experience for the topics related to shooting (mostly) and hunting (to a certain degree). Of course, I found here and there some opinions that made me scratch my head, but that's ok, this is how one tests their ideas - exposing them to scrutiny and discussion - that's how the best of them are getting to life. Most of the above were related to sound science, common sense, basically talking about stuff for which members have a fairly good understanding. You can even admit <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> that such opinions were based at least in part on good science (e.g. physics is heavily involved in ballistics).</p><p>But what can of worms this particalar post opened, made my jaw drop! I did not expect this...</p><p>I believe science is feared by some people nowadays is because of the interest groups (politicians, activists, big corporations, professional associations, labor groups, etc.) who twisted the scientific information to their own advantage, suppressed some information that did not fit their narrative, end so on.</p><p>But what is this science all about? I am talking as a person who worked for quite a while as a wildlife biologist, studying large carnivores. A good scientist cannot be biased, he/she has to analyze facts as they are, and try to draw the correct conclusions, and if it makes sense, come up with hypotheses. These hypotheses are reviewed, debated, in ordered to be considered valid theories. In many cases, what was once considered valid was later refuted! Politicians make it look that the "science" is some kind of a dogma, but let me tell you, real scientists more often disagree with each other than agree, at least at first view of a new idea. Even later, there is always a minority who disagree with certain conclusions. That is how real science works!</p><p>Please resist the temptation to jump from an extreme to the other, rejecting the science out of fear! Much of what surrounds us, apart from God's creation, has started with a scientific advance that allowed for some technological breakthrough - look no further than your car, your rifle, your smartphone, your binoculars, the medical sciences used by doctors that help us (hopefully) get better, etc.</p><p>Search for answers to your questions in multiple places, hear all the parties (not just the homogenous groups that the algorithms pushed you into, without you even realising!), and then use your own critical thinking.</p><p>The article mentioned never said that there was a clear conclusion that the CDW was the cause of those who died.</p><p>CWD (in deer family species), mad cow disease (in bovines), scrapie (sheep and goats), and the Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD, in humans) are, unfortunately, VERY real! What they all have in common is a strange biochemical structure/entity, called a "prion". Think of it as a deffective protein molecule, which interacts with specific proteins present mostly in the brain and the rest of the nervous system, infects them in in a kind of chain reaction, to a quick degradations of this system, leading invariably to the death of that individual. The disease is transmissible to the respective species, and even worse, these prions are extremely hard to destroy! Acids, iradiation, normal burning (or cooking) does NOT destroy them. They are still infectious even 2+ years after the corpse is buried! Incineration at above 1000F for several hours is the minimum to safely destroy them.</p><p>Insofar, there was no clearly documented case of a human who got infected from eating meat from an infected animal, but precautions can go a long way. If you see a deer, elk, caribou, or moose behaving strange, weak, shivering, don't even shoot it! Instead, inform the parc rangers, conservation officers, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dstancu, post: 3095446, member: 9273"] Hi all, I always liked this forum because I found a relatively high level of knowledge, expertise, and experience for the topics related to shooting (mostly) and hunting (to a certain degree). Of course, I found here and there some opinions that made me scratch my head, but that's ok, this is how one tests their ideas - exposing them to scrutiny and discussion - that's how the best of them are getting to life. Most of the above were related to sound science, common sense, basically talking about stuff for which members have a fairly good understanding. You can even admit :) that such opinions were based at least in part on good science (e.g. physics is heavily involved in ballistics). But what can of worms this particalar post opened, made my jaw drop! I did not expect this... I believe science is feared by some people nowadays is because of the interest groups (politicians, activists, big corporations, professional associations, labor groups, etc.) who twisted the scientific information to their own advantage, suppressed some information that did not fit their narrative, end so on. But what is this science all about? I am talking as a person who worked for quite a while as a wildlife biologist, studying large carnivores. A good scientist cannot be biased, he/she has to analyze facts as they are, and try to draw the correct conclusions, and if it makes sense, come up with hypotheses. These hypotheses are reviewed, debated, in ordered to be considered valid theories. In many cases, what was once considered valid was later refuted! Politicians make it look that the "science" is some kind of a dogma, but let me tell you, real scientists more often disagree with each other than agree, at least at first view of a new idea. Even later, there is always a minority who disagree with certain conclusions. That is how real science works! Please resist the temptation to jump from an extreme to the other, rejecting the science out of fear! Much of what surrounds us, apart from God's creation, has started with a scientific advance that allowed for some technological breakthrough - look no further than your car, your rifle, your smartphone, your binoculars, the medical sciences used by doctors that help us (hopefully) get better, etc. Search for answers to your questions in multiple places, hear all the parties (not just the homogenous groups that the algorithms pushed you into, without you even realising!), and then use your own critical thinking. The article mentioned never said that there was a clear conclusion that the CDW was the cause of those who died. CWD (in deer family species), mad cow disease (in bovines), scrapie (sheep and goats), and the Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD, in humans) are, unfortunately, VERY real! What they all have in common is a strange biochemical structure/entity, called a "prion". Think of it as a deffective protein molecule, which interacts with specific proteins present mostly in the brain and the rest of the nervous system, infects them in in a kind of chain reaction, to a quick degradations of this system, leading invariably to the death of that individual. The disease is transmissible to the respective species, and even worse, these prions are extremely hard to destroy! Acids, iradiation, normal burning (or cooking) does NOT destroy them. They are still infectious even 2+ years after the corpse is buried! Incineration at above 1000F for several hours is the minimum to safely destroy them. Insofar, there was no clearly documented case of a human who got infected from eating meat from an infected animal, but precautions can go a long way. If you see a deer, elk, caribou, or moose behaving strange, weak, shivering, don't even shoot it! Instead, inform the parc rangers, conservation officers, etc. [/QUOTE]
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