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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 1631402" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>These rifle systems are also heavy, bulky and not the easiest to shoot because of more recoil and muzzle blast. The potential is certainly there but as mentioned, we need more r&d in the projos in 458.</p><p></p><p>20-25 years ago, the best out there was the 338-416 Rigby.</p><p></p><p>10-12 years ago, best thing out there was the 408 cheytac</p><p></p><p>Since then the big 338s have blown by that level and the 375s in recent years have taken it to the next level along with the 416 cal rifles.</p><p></p><p>I believe the 458 is the next step in progression but you need a case big enough to get these big bullets to at least 3000 fps. That pretty much means the bmg case.</p><p></p><p>We are making great advancements in brass quality. Used to have to use surplus pull down mil spec brass. After a lot of sorting and prepping it made decent brass but you also had an hour into each case to make it BR class quality.</p><p></p><p>IMI brass for the BMG was always the best but got very hard to find.</p><p></p><p>However now, with RWS and Lapua bmg brass, we have much higher quality, MUCH STRONGER brass that allows the full potential to shine in this class weapon system.</p><p></p><p>Do i load my 510 Allen Magnum, 510 Maximus and 458 Maximus to higher pressures then standard 50 BMG loads, certainly, but extraction is perfect, case life (primer pocket tightness) is very long so totally comfortable with the levels i am loading to. Certainly no where near red line pressures. Never do that with any of my wildcat designs. </p><p></p><p>Believe its better to have a big engine do the work easily then to have a small engine work its tail off to do the same work, even if the small engine is capable. Always been my design theory over the past 15 years.</p><p></p><p>Why do you not see more guys using my rigs in the extreme range comps, likely because thats not where i promote my products. Always been focused on the big game long range hunting crowd and thats where i made my name more then anywhere else.</p><p></p><p>Not against comp in any way, just made my space on the hunting market more then anything.</p><p></p><p>I suspect we will see some pop up here snd there in the not to distant future!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 1631402, member: 10"] These rifle systems are also heavy, bulky and not the easiest to shoot because of more recoil and muzzle blast. The potential is certainly there but as mentioned, we need more r&d in the projos in 458. 20-25 years ago, the best out there was the 338-416 Rigby. 10-12 years ago, best thing out there was the 408 cheytac Since then the big 338s have blown by that level and the 375s in recent years have taken it to the next level along with the 416 cal rifles. I believe the 458 is the next step in progression but you need a case big enough to get these big bullets to at least 3000 fps. That pretty much means the bmg case. We are making great advancements in brass quality. Used to have to use surplus pull down mil spec brass. After a lot of sorting and prepping it made decent brass but you also had an hour into each case to make it BR class quality. IMI brass for the BMG was always the best but got very hard to find. However now, with RWS and Lapua bmg brass, we have much higher quality, MUCH STRONGER brass that allows the full potential to shine in this class weapon system. Do i load my 510 Allen Magnum, 510 Maximus and 458 Maximus to higher pressures then standard 50 BMG loads, certainly, but extraction is perfect, case life (primer pocket tightness) is very long so totally comfortable with the levels i am loading to. Certainly no where near red line pressures. Never do that with any of my wildcat designs. Believe its better to have a big engine do the work easily then to have a small engine work its tail off to do the same work, even if the small engine is capable. Always been my design theory over the past 15 years. Why do you not see more guys using my rigs in the extreme range comps, likely because thats not where i promote my products. Always been focused on the big game long range hunting crowd and thats where i made my name more then anywhere else. Not against comp in any way, just made my space on the hunting market more then anything. I suspect we will see some pop up here snd there in the not to distant future!! [/QUOTE]
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