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<blockquote data-quote="Long Time Long Ranger" data-source="post: 293730" data-attributes="member: 505"><p>Thanks for posting your figures. This proves one of the glitches I was talking about. From experience I do not consider the 168 Berger or the 7mm rem mag good elk choices. At any of those ranges you show, the effect of the 338 caliber 225 accubond on the elk at over 2900 fps muzzle velocity would be far greater than the 7mm rem mag and would give you the best opportunity for collecting your elk. Ballistics are a great tool but not the only tool. Field testing is also just as critical to show some of the falacies of the ballistics programs. As you gain experience you begin to understand better how to use all of those loading manuals figures and info and how to better put them into perspective.</p><p></p><p>I guarantee the 7mm rem mag is not in the league of the 338 winchester when animals the size of elk are considered. The 7mm rem mag is a very good deer, antelope, caribou rifle. The 7mm rem mag with a 168 berger is not even a good choice for long range elk and certainly not the best choice.</p><p></p><p>How much actual elk or big game experience are you basing your choice on? You sound like me over 30 years ago trying to argue my 7mm-300 wby ballistics to Elmer Keith. He was a wise old man who knew what killed elk and large game best. I was a young ballistics guru who had taken a few elk at long range. He also knew, I am sure, that if I continued elk hunting I would also learn what was best. I knew several guys who loved and swore by the 7mm-300 in those days including me. I had taken elk well beyond a thousand yards with mine in the 70's at the same spot I have offered to carry a long range elk hunt off the forum for next year. We were using the 175 sierra game king which was the highest BC available in the caliber at the time. Still a great long range 7mm bullet. It is quite a bit more rifle than the 7mm rem mag. I also took elk at over a thousand yards with the 270 wby in that spot. We all found many years ago that neither were very good choices and our dependency on the ballistics charts caused us problems until our experience in the field matured. Within 2-4 years every one of us were using the 340 wby Elmer had recomended. He was right about the larger 338 caliber and it's effects on elk no matter what I tried to argue with him concerning ballistics. </p><p></p><p>Now that I have taken more trophy elk beyond 600 yards than most people will ever see total in a lifetime I also have a very good perspective on what is the best as Elmer did.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Long Time Long Ranger, post: 293730, member: 505"] Thanks for posting your figures. This proves one of the glitches I was talking about. From experience I do not consider the 168 Berger or the 7mm rem mag good elk choices. At any of those ranges you show, the effect of the 338 caliber 225 accubond on the elk at over 2900 fps muzzle velocity would be far greater than the 7mm rem mag and would give you the best opportunity for collecting your elk. Ballistics are a great tool but not the only tool. Field testing is also just as critical to show some of the falacies of the ballistics programs. As you gain experience you begin to understand better how to use all of those loading manuals figures and info and how to better put them into perspective. I guarantee the 7mm rem mag is not in the league of the 338 winchester when animals the size of elk are considered. The 7mm rem mag is a very good deer, antelope, caribou rifle. The 7mm rem mag with a 168 berger is not even a good choice for long range elk and certainly not the best choice. How much actual elk or big game experience are you basing your choice on? You sound like me over 30 years ago trying to argue my 7mm-300 wby ballistics to Elmer Keith. He was a wise old man who knew what killed elk and large game best. I was a young ballistics guru who had taken a few elk at long range. He also knew, I am sure, that if I continued elk hunting I would also learn what was best. I knew several guys who loved and swore by the 7mm-300 in those days including me. I had taken elk well beyond a thousand yards with mine in the 70's at the same spot I have offered to carry a long range elk hunt off the forum for next year. We were using the 175 sierra game king which was the highest BC available in the caliber at the time. Still a great long range 7mm bullet. It is quite a bit more rifle than the 7mm rem mag. I also took elk at over a thousand yards with the 270 wby in that spot. We all found many years ago that neither were very good choices and our dependency on the ballistics charts caused us problems until our experience in the field matured. Within 2-4 years every one of us were using the 340 wby Elmer had recomended. He was right about the larger 338 caliber and it's effects on elk no matter what I tried to argue with him concerning ballistics. Now that I have taken more trophy elk beyond 600 yards than most people will ever see total in a lifetime I also have a very good perspective on what is the best as Elmer did. [/QUOTE]
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