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<blockquote data-quote="WildRose" data-source="post: 1536166" data-attributes="member: 30902"><p>Remington though has been blowing it pretty consistently now since the 60's and there have been a whole lot of changes in the board and ownership over that time.</p><p></p><p>What they need is another board, a board of knowledgeable hunters and shooters who can knock the snot out of the QC boys and girls for letting crap get out the door and beat into the development panel what the future of hunting and shooting actually look like and how then to develop rifles and rounds that the public will actually buy and keep/use for generations like their dad's, granddads, and GGD's did so that the next generation of hunters will have the same hunger for a Remington rifle that we did after growing up with them.</p><p></p><p>Lastly that board needs to have control over the marketers so that they aren't advertising gold bricks and "pretty yellow metal but not much value in commercial applications because it's too soft".</p><p></p><p>My brother's first 700bdl 30-06 had one of the trick triggers that if you tried to work the trigger while the safety was engaged would occasionally go off when you did finally take the safety off. It was produced circa 1972.</p><p></p><p>My first 700bdl was a 7mm RM that was as screwed up as a drunken blind duck. After five trips back to remington for repair it would still never hold zero. You could zero it in perfectly then come back the next day and it would be nine inches left and five inches high almost every single time. Finally they admitted that the problem was an "accumulation of tolerances". The receiver was drilled and tapped out of square to the barrel, the barrel was cut and threaded off center and at an angle to the receiver face.</p><p></p><p>The bolt face was too shallow and not opened quite properly so it chewed off pieces of brass with every cycle.</p><p></p><p>Finally after giving up on remington and sending it to three different gunsmits the final verdict was that it would cost more to fix it than to replace it so off it went to the pawn shop and I didn't buy another remington for over 20 years.</p><p></p><p>Neither of those rifles should have ever left the factory and that experience turned both of us off to Remington's for decades. Unfortunately similar QC issues have plagued them again and again over the last 40 years because they have always cared more about pouring out rifles in mass quantities instead of producing quality rifles just a few less at a time.</p><p></p><p>We shot nothing but remington rifles and shotguns as a family for more than sixty years prior to those problems. Today I own a handful of them but haven't bought but one one new in over since my custom in 1990.</p><p></p><p>After the rave reviews about the Gen2 milspec from several members here I gambled and picked one up in .260, it's awesome and has convinced me that when they put their minds to it they can actually still produce a great rifle.</p><p></p><p>My brothers will simply never own another Remington other than those we inherited from my dad and Granddad.</p><p></p><p>Personally I've just decided that if I'm going to put my money into new rifles I'll stick to either New Haven built, or the new Portuguese built Model 70's or Montana's built on their beefed up model 70 Action.</p><p></p><p>At most I'm probably not going to own more than two more rifles, both of which will be customs. One will be a .264wm built on either a New Haven built 90's era stainless CRF action or if I can find an old beat up pre 64 worth the money I'll build it on that.</p><p></p><p>The other is going to be a .375 Ruger built specifically to see how far rangewise I can stretch the cartridge out so it'll have a 28" barrel and be built on a Newhaven stainless or a Montana 1999.</p><p></p><p>My collection will be full when I have those done.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WildRose, post: 1536166, member: 30902"] Remington though has been blowing it pretty consistently now since the 60's and there have been a whole lot of changes in the board and ownership over that time. What they need is another board, a board of knowledgeable hunters and shooters who can knock the snot out of the QC boys and girls for letting crap get out the door and beat into the development panel what the future of hunting and shooting actually look like and how then to develop rifles and rounds that the public will actually buy and keep/use for generations like their dad's, granddads, and GGD's did so that the next generation of hunters will have the same hunger for a Remington rifle that we did after growing up with them. Lastly that board needs to have control over the marketers so that they aren't advertising gold bricks and "pretty yellow metal but not much value in commercial applications because it's too soft". My brother's first 700bdl 30-06 had one of the trick triggers that if you tried to work the trigger while the safety was engaged would occasionally go off when you did finally take the safety off. It was produced circa 1972. My first 700bdl was a 7mm RM that was as screwed up as a drunken blind duck. After five trips back to remington for repair it would still never hold zero. You could zero it in perfectly then come back the next day and it would be nine inches left and five inches high almost every single time. Finally they admitted that the problem was an "accumulation of tolerances". The receiver was drilled and tapped out of square to the barrel, the barrel was cut and threaded off center and at an angle to the receiver face. The bolt face was too shallow and not opened quite properly so it chewed off pieces of brass with every cycle. Finally after giving up on remington and sending it to three different gunsmits the final verdict was that it would cost more to fix it than to replace it so off it went to the pawn shop and I didn't buy another remington for over 20 years. Neither of those rifles should have ever left the factory and that experience turned both of us off to Remington's for decades. Unfortunately similar QC issues have plagued them again and again over the last 40 years because they have always cared more about pouring out rifles in mass quantities instead of producing quality rifles just a few less at a time. We shot nothing but remington rifles and shotguns as a family for more than sixty years prior to those problems. Today I own a handful of them but haven't bought but one one new in over since my custom in 1990. After the rave reviews about the Gen2 milspec from several members here I gambled and picked one up in .260, it's awesome and has convinced me that when they put their minds to it they can actually still produce a great rifle. My brothers will simply never own another Remington other than those we inherited from my dad and Granddad. Personally I've just decided that if I'm going to put my money into new rifles I'll stick to either New Haven built, or the new Portuguese built Model 70's or Montana's built on their beefed up model 70 Action. At most I'm probably not going to own more than two more rifles, both of which will be customs. One will be a .264wm built on either a New Haven built 90's era stainless CRF action or if I can find an old beat up pre 64 worth the money I'll build it on that. The other is going to be a .375 Ruger built specifically to see how far rangewise I can stretch the cartridge out so it'll have a 28" barrel and be built on a Newhaven stainless or a Montana 1999. My collection will be full when I have those done. [/QUOTE]
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