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<blockquote data-quote="packgoatguy" data-source="post: 1555388" data-attributes="member: 27192"><p>I have both the 6.5 Creedmoor and a 300WM in ultralight rifles for deer and elk hunting. I have youngsters who hunt with me, and they prefer to shoot the creedmoor, but only by a slim margin... as my 300wm has a great brake on it. My oldest took his first cow elk this season with the 300WM at 330 yards (one shot, she never took a step). My other boy took his first buck at 200 yards with the CM, again one shot (but it did take a few steps <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />). Both get the job done within the yardages the particular bullets were designed for. </p><p></p><p>One major thing though; Consider the terminal ballistics of the bullet you are shooting. We have been shooting the OTC Hornady ELD-X in both rifles. That is a bullet that was designed to expand down to 1600FPS. However, in regards to the story about the person who shot the elk with the creedmoor at 1500 plus yards??? That would be a very dicy proposition... because at that yardage, that little bullet has lost all but about 1200 feet per second of its velocity. Even the Nosler Accubond Long Range (ABLR) was only designed to reliably expand down to about 1300feet per second. So, at longer ranges, the creedmoor will be more likely to just "poke" neat little 6.5mm holes... and that is no good for quick ethical kill shots.</p><p></p><p>Another consideration is the "oomph" on target at the various ranges... my creedmoor at 1500 yards has about 500ft pounds of energy at the target. Many would argue that is not enough for deer or elk (I think the energy scale shows 1000 ftlbs for deer and 1500 ftlbs for elk). Personally, I think that is hogwash, as a 10mm pistol at point blank range is putting out about the same 500-600ftlbs of energy, and many regard that as adequate for defense against bears... just sayin... I think a much better rating would be the "KPS" scoring system (Killing power score) which accounts for velocity, bullet weight, energy, sectional density of the bullet, and the diameter of the bullet. On that scale, that 6.5CM bullet still rates a "13" on the scale at 1500 yards (similar to a 300BLK at point blank range). </p><p></p><p>Its been mentioned elsewhere here, but one cartridge to consider is the 28 Nosler. If it is really pushing a 162-175gr bullet at 3125-3175fps, then it can contend with even the 338 Lapua in wind drift, bullet drop, and max range for velocity expansion... all while still putting more than enough "oomph" on target, even at extended range. Consider it still rates a "14" on the KPS scale at a mile (1760 yards).</p><p></p><p>Ive put together a spreadsheet that lays out the "math" behind a number of suitable elk cartridge options... including the 6.5 and the 300wm.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/156KStH-VKLIwILKsmubbCZDm6XzUvyz47oro0nR5hxY/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/156KStH-VKLIwILKsmubbCZDm6XzUvyz47oro0nR5hxY/edit?usp=sharing</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="packgoatguy, post: 1555388, member: 27192"] I have both the 6.5 Creedmoor and a 300WM in ultralight rifles for deer and elk hunting. I have youngsters who hunt with me, and they prefer to shoot the creedmoor, but only by a slim margin... as my 300wm has a great brake on it. My oldest took his first cow elk this season with the 300WM at 330 yards (one shot, she never took a step). My other boy took his first buck at 200 yards with the CM, again one shot (but it did take a few steps :-)). Both get the job done within the yardages the particular bullets were designed for. One major thing though; Consider the terminal ballistics of the bullet you are shooting. We have been shooting the OTC Hornady ELD-X in both rifles. That is a bullet that was designed to expand down to 1600FPS. However, in regards to the story about the person who shot the elk with the creedmoor at 1500 plus yards??? That would be a very dicy proposition... because at that yardage, that little bullet has lost all but about 1200 feet per second of its velocity. Even the Nosler Accubond Long Range (ABLR) was only designed to reliably expand down to about 1300feet per second. So, at longer ranges, the creedmoor will be more likely to just "poke" neat little 6.5mm holes... and that is no good for quick ethical kill shots. Another consideration is the "oomph" on target at the various ranges... my creedmoor at 1500 yards has about 500ft pounds of energy at the target. Many would argue that is not enough for deer or elk (I think the energy scale shows 1000 ftlbs for deer and 1500 ftlbs for elk). Personally, I think that is hogwash, as a 10mm pistol at point blank range is putting out about the same 500-600ftlbs of energy, and many regard that as adequate for defense against bears... just sayin... I think a much better rating would be the "KPS" scoring system (Killing power score) which accounts for velocity, bullet weight, energy, sectional density of the bullet, and the diameter of the bullet. On that scale, that 6.5CM bullet still rates a "13" on the scale at 1500 yards (similar to a 300BLK at point blank range). Its been mentioned elsewhere here, but one cartridge to consider is the 28 Nosler. If it is really pushing a 162-175gr bullet at 3125-3175fps, then it can contend with even the 338 Lapua in wind drift, bullet drop, and max range for velocity expansion... all while still putting more than enough "oomph" on target, even at extended range. Consider it still rates a "14" on the KPS scale at a mile (1760 yards). Ive put together a spreadsheet that lays out the "math" behind a number of suitable elk cartridge options... including the 6.5 and the 300wm. [URL]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/156KStH-VKLIwILKsmubbCZDm6XzUvyz47oro0nR5hxY/edit?usp=sharing[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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