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<blockquote data-quote="Roughwater" data-source="post: 1547202" data-attributes="member: 33915"><p>I have to contradict a part of the above statement. </p><p>The 28 nosler if hard kicking sure don't feel like it. I know a hard kicking gun and my 28 hells canyon isn't it. I have shot it without the brake and its not even hard kicking with out it. I plan to shoot it from now on without the brake. </p><p>Spensive. Comparatively speaking there is no discount store version that I have found in the 28, not yet anyway. The least expensive version of it is in one of the Browning A bolts which aren't super high priced but you're not going to find a 400 dollar one either. I like the X-bolt version much better myself which often retails in the 800 $ range and the Hells canyon model even better in the 1000 $ range. But it's truely an exceptional gun. The only thing I dislike about it is the cost of the brass. But there looks to be more brass makers in the process of selling brass for it so that should help a lot. </p><p></p><p>It's easy to get confused with all this for sure. When I was looking myself for a gun only a few weeks back I was kinda in the same boat as you but I already had a 270 short mag and a 300 Wm. I liked them both but both were on the heavy side, especially the WM and neither had any real weather protection. After hunting a couple days in the rain and having hiked into a area in Utah and living in a tent that had nearly lost it's battle with staying dry in the rain made me feel like a more weatherproof rifle made sense. I felt like one of the 7mm types made sense for me and would be a little lighter than getting another 30 cal of some kind. Also, I started out wanting to keep cost down too but I made the mistake of holding a gun in my hands that felt so good I didn't want to let it go. The 280AI looked like a good choice but the 7mm Rem mag was slightly more powerful. At first I didn't even consider the 28 Nosler but I went ahead and threw it into the mix. After looking and stressing for sometime I wondered if I would be trying to load the 280AI or 7mm mag hotter than I should? So I thought maybe a 28 would be good then I could load it to a medium load and have more energy and velocity than with the other 7mm types. </p><p>If I were to choose between a 280 and a 280AI, I would go AI for sure. Between 280AI and 7mm Rem mag? If you don't reload you need to go with the 7mm Rem mag in my opinion. If you do reload the 7mm rem is still more powerful but not by much. The strong point of buying a 280AI however is slightly less recoil and generally comes in faster twist rates to allow loading the heaviest bullets or buying the heaviest rounds per caliber if you wish. Still if money is an issue it's 7mm hands down as you can find guns, ammo and brass will be much more plentiful for it and cheaper than the newer 280AI or even the older 280.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Roughwater, post: 1547202, member: 33915"] I have to contradict a part of the above statement. The 28 nosler if hard kicking sure don't feel like it. I know a hard kicking gun and my 28 hells canyon isn't it. I have shot it without the brake and its not even hard kicking with out it. I plan to shoot it from now on without the brake. Spensive. Comparatively speaking there is no discount store version that I have found in the 28, not yet anyway. The least expensive version of it is in one of the Browning A bolts which aren't super high priced but you're not going to find a 400 dollar one either. I like the X-bolt version much better myself which often retails in the 800 $ range and the Hells canyon model even better in the 1000 $ range. But it's truely an exceptional gun. The only thing I dislike about it is the cost of the brass. But there looks to be more brass makers in the process of selling brass for it so that should help a lot. It's easy to get confused with all this for sure. When I was looking myself for a gun only a few weeks back I was kinda in the same boat as you but I already had a 270 short mag and a 300 Wm. I liked them both but both were on the heavy side, especially the WM and neither had any real weather protection. After hunting a couple days in the rain and having hiked into a area in Utah and living in a tent that had nearly lost it's battle with staying dry in the rain made me feel like a more weatherproof rifle made sense. I felt like one of the 7mm types made sense for me and would be a little lighter than getting another 30 cal of some kind. Also, I started out wanting to keep cost down too but I made the mistake of holding a gun in my hands that felt so good I didn't want to let it go. The 280AI looked like a good choice but the 7mm Rem mag was slightly more powerful. At first I didn't even consider the 28 Nosler but I went ahead and threw it into the mix. After looking and stressing for sometime I wondered if I would be trying to load the 280AI or 7mm mag hotter than I should? So I thought maybe a 28 would be good then I could load it to a medium load and have more energy and velocity than with the other 7mm types. If I were to choose between a 280 and a 280AI, I would go AI for sure. Between 280AI and 7mm Rem mag? If you don't reload you need to go with the 7mm Rem mag in my opinion. If you do reload the 7mm rem is still more powerful but not by much. The strong point of buying a 280AI however is slightly less recoil and generally comes in faster twist rates to allow loading the heaviest bullets or buying the heaviest rounds per caliber if you wish. Still if money is an issue it's 7mm hands down as you can find guns, ammo and brass will be much more plentiful for it and cheaper than the newer 280AI or even the older 280. [/QUOTE]
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