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<blockquote data-quote="aspenbugle" data-source="post: 1780820" data-attributes="member: 6481"><p>No, that's the lie, that good marksmanship is ALL that matters and bullet weight and construction doesn't matter. (It also assumes no one shooting 300 mags can shoot well and only the .243 guys are good shots) With that logic, why not just hunt with a .22 or better yet, I've got a new 20 cal. So, with your logic, if I shoot well, then I can take a bull at 500 yards with my 20 cal. Wow. I can also put that 40 grain bullet through the vitals, no need for a head shot. Anything is a great elk gun if you shoot it well, I guess - please.</p><p></p><p>Yes, a 243 in the boiler room beats a 458 in the guts sure (duh). But what about the bull that takes a step as you are breaking the trigger, placing a front leg in front of the vitals. That is what I'm talking about "margin of error". If I shoot just as accurate with both a .243 and a 300WM a 200 grain bullet sure gives better odds of still making a lethal shot than 100 gr. from a .243 with that beefy front leg in the way. If you only take full broadside shots, and animals never move, sure, use the .243, and only at limited ranges. However, if you ever need to take a quartering shot or the animal moves, or you need to shoot them at 1000 yards, don't tell me your 25-06 is as up to the task as a 300 mag or 338. You can do it, but a 300WM with a good bullet and good person driving does it better on a bull at 800-1000 yards. You also don't need 4wd in the Colorado mountains, and hunting in jeans is perfectly fine too in perfect conditions <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> . I'm never condoning the mindset of I have a 338 blaster and I can just spray bullets. I agree, that's dumb, and your point is taken, but it doesn't mean everyone shooting the larger stuff has that mindset. Given similar accuracy, and bullet construction, a 200gr bullet is more lethal under more conditions and shooting angles than a 100gr bullet from a .243 - that's just physics, and field experience.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aspenbugle, post: 1780820, member: 6481"] No, that's the lie, that good marksmanship is ALL that matters and bullet weight and construction doesn't matter. (It also assumes no one shooting 300 mags can shoot well and only the .243 guys are good shots) With that logic, why not just hunt with a .22 or better yet, I've got a new 20 cal. So, with your logic, if I shoot well, then I can take a bull at 500 yards with my 20 cal. Wow. I can also put that 40 grain bullet through the vitals, no need for a head shot. Anything is a great elk gun if you shoot it well, I guess - please. Yes, a 243 in the boiler room beats a 458 in the guts sure (duh). But what about the bull that takes a step as you are breaking the trigger, placing a front leg in front of the vitals. That is what I'm talking about "margin of error". If I shoot just as accurate with both a .243 and a 300WM a 200 grain bullet sure gives better odds of still making a lethal shot than 100 gr. from a .243 with that beefy front leg in the way. If you only take full broadside shots, and animals never move, sure, use the .243, and only at limited ranges. However, if you ever need to take a quartering shot or the animal moves, or you need to shoot them at 1000 yards, don't tell me your 25-06 is as up to the task as a 300 mag or 338. You can do it, but a 300WM with a good bullet and good person driving does it better on a bull at 800-1000 yards. You also don't need 4wd in the Colorado mountains, and hunting in jeans is perfectly fine too in perfect conditions :) . I'm never condoning the mindset of I have a 338 blaster and I can just spray bullets. I agree, that's dumb, and your point is taken, but it doesn't mean everyone shooting the larger stuff has that mindset. Given similar accuracy, and bullet construction, a 200gr bullet is more lethal under more conditions and shooting angles than a 100gr bullet from a .243 - that's just physics, and field experience. [/QUOTE]
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