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<blockquote data-quote="Shawn Carlock" data-source="post: 237742" data-attributes="member: 4"><p>Mark,</p><p> </p><p>I did not break the barrel in. I did my usuall sight in (3-4 rounds), shot some 3 shot groups (another 6-9 rounds) then shot a few distant plates for trajectory validation (another 5-6 rounds), then took it home and cleaned it. It easly has 1800-2000 rounds through it (I'd have to look to be sure) and I have cleaned it 4 or 5 times. </p><p>I have noticed with most of my rifles that they respond well to this program, but all are different. Two examples:</p><p>1. My 280 Ackley Imp "Sheep Rifle" shoots scary small groups for the first 30-40 rounds and flatly needs to be cleaned to shoot well and by this I mean it goes from sub 1/2" to 1 1/2" @ 100. This is the worst case I have seen from a custom barrel.</p><p>2. My "Shop" 7 WSM first shots from a clean fouled with 3 shots barrel will shoot a hole typically 1/4"ish. It will then open to 3/4" after 6-10 rounds, then somewhere around 30 rounds it goes back to the 1/4-3/8" rifle it should be. It will hold this level of accuracy for quite sometimeat least to 250-300 rounds that I know of.</p><p>I've had about the same experience with 338 cal. stuff. My current 338 Edge has 436 rounds throught it and has been cleaned twice. Once at 12 rounds and once at 26 rounds. It will on demand shoot well under 1/2" any day and usually closer to 1/4". I used it the other day to get a first round hit on a 13-15" rock at 1514 yards. I just see no reason to clean it right now if it won't do anything for me. I have also noticed that on most of my rifles that thay seem more consistant when well fouled. Like I said earlier some are different but most have worked like this for me.</p><p>Factory rifles - I have seen few factory barrels respond well to the shoot the crap of of them technique. After scoping many of them it makes sense to me. The few that did respond well showed the same lack of copper fouling traits that the custom barrels did. It would seem that this is a key issue and I think most will agree with that. Most good shooting factory rifles I have had needed to be cleaned often to keep accuracy. When they did start to go south performance wise copper fouling was very evident.</p><p>I guess the bottom line is this if your rifle is shooting well what are you hoping to accomplish by cleaning it? NOTHING. If your shoot it more are you damaging it? I HAVN"T EVER SEEN IT HAPPEN. I tell people all the time if you want to break in go ahead but I don't. If you rifle is still shooting well with 30 rounds down it and you want to clean it you can but I wouldn't. In the end everyone must do what they feel the most comfortable with. I am most comfortable shooting until I see a performance drop then cleaning and starting the process over.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shawn Carlock, post: 237742, member: 4"] Mark, I did not break the barrel in. I did my usuall sight in (3-4 rounds), shot some 3 shot groups (another 6-9 rounds) then shot a few distant plates for trajectory validation (another 5-6 rounds), then took it home and cleaned it. It easly has 1800-2000 rounds through it (I'd have to look to be sure) and I have cleaned it 4 or 5 times. I have noticed with most of my rifles that they respond well to this program, but all are different. Two examples: 1. My 280 Ackley Imp "Sheep Rifle" shoots scary small groups for the first 30-40 rounds and flatly needs to be cleaned to shoot well and by this I mean it goes from sub 1/2" to 1 1/2" @ 100. This is the worst case I have seen from a custom barrel. 2. My "Shop" 7 WSM first shots from a clean fouled with 3 shots barrel will shoot a hole typically 1/4"ish. It will then open to 3/4" after 6-10 rounds, then somewhere around 30 rounds it goes back to the 1/4-3/8" rifle it should be. It will hold this level of accuracy for quite sometimeat least to 250-300 rounds that I know of. I've had about the same experience with 338 cal. stuff. My current 338 Edge has 436 rounds throught it and has been cleaned twice. Once at 12 rounds and once at 26 rounds. It will on demand shoot well under 1/2" any day and usually closer to 1/4". I used it the other day to get a first round hit on a 13-15" rock at 1514 yards. I just see no reason to clean it right now if it won't do anything for me. I have also noticed that on most of my rifles that thay seem more consistant when well fouled. Like I said earlier some are different but most have worked like this for me. Factory rifles - I have seen few factory barrels respond well to the shoot the crap of of them technique. After scoping many of them it makes sense to me. The few that did respond well showed the same lack of copper fouling traits that the custom barrels did. It would seem that this is a key issue and I think most will agree with that. Most good shooting factory rifles I have had needed to be cleaned often to keep accuracy. When they did start to go south performance wise copper fouling was very evident. I guess the bottom line is this if your rifle is shooting well what are you hoping to accomplish by cleaning it? NOTHING. If your shoot it more are you damaging it? I HAVN"T EVER SEEN IT HAPPEN. I tell people all the time if you want to break in go ahead but I don't. If you rifle is still shooting well with 30 rounds down it and you want to clean it you can but I wouldn't. In the end everyone must do what they feel the most comfortable with. I am most comfortable shooting until I see a performance drop then cleaning and starting the process over. [/QUOTE]
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