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<blockquote data-quote="J E Custom" data-source="post: 1218771" data-attributes="member: 2736"><p>The factory Weatherby brake and Vias brakes are not very good at reducing recoil. I can see you getting around 50% recoil reduction with those. The better baffled brakes kick the crap out of any drilled hole brake. Just about any muzzle brake test on YouTube will show that. I tested a drilled hole brake on my 300 Weatherby in the video above. It travels 20" with the drilled hole brake versus about 11" with my Beast brake and 37" with no brake.</p></blockquote><p></p><p></p><p>The Weatherby Brake and the Vias were the only ones that actually met there advertised recoil </p><p>reduction By percent. I have to give them kudos for telling the truth. There were lots of other brakes that did not even come close to ether one and made claims of much more, some even claimed more than possible .</p><p></p><p>Most brakes fall below 40% and some reduced recoil under 20 % the problem is that people can feel even 20% and perceive that It feels like it is cut in half and there lies the problem, perception is not</p><p>the same as an actual measurement.</p><p></p><p>I am not knocking your test bed so don't take it that way. you at least took the time and effort</p><p>to build a test bed to do some testing for your self. with the total mass of your sled(The part that moves, +the rifle weight and the hanging weights there is so much inertia to over come and momentum to stop you will have trouble getting real recoil values. Travel is dependent on so many different factors that it will not give consistent recoil numbers.</p><p></p><p>In our research we ruled out any device that had to overcome inertia and momentum. the oldest way of measuring impact energy was hundreds of years old (The ballistic pendulum) and it has been proven to be inaccurate by a large percent.</p><p></p><p>Your device is ok for a comparison as long as you don't change anything but it will not give true recoil values/numbers.</p><p></p><p>I like the fact that you took the time to build something for your test. Most people only use perception and some don't like anything that they don't have. so if someone does not believe me, I cant change that. I didn't design my brake to sell to the general public I though that some of the membership would like something better If I could build it. In fact I started out trying to tame the M82A1 50 caliber and reduce the muzzle blast/signature. and went from there.</p><p></p><p>For the record, Lots of "My" beliefs were proven wrong and we had to think out of the box to solve </p><p>many of the issues.</p><p></p><p>On a side note: just for the record, I to believed that Ported brakes were superior to drilled brakes because of the testing we did and some of my old beliefs, and that bugged me after we got the ported brake to max possible recoil reduction I could not leave the radial brake alone. after trying what we knew and had learned about the Ported brake we started messing with the radial brake and found that the rules were "Not" the same. with lots of prototypes and testing we have bumped the radial up to the same recoil reduction as the ported brake and are about to do a video for a comparison. Interestingly enough, DB volume was the toughest nut to crack.</p><p></p><p>Again this is a hobby and I do it for fun I am not interested in selling to the public (To old to start another business) and just like helping out my friends.</p><p></p><p>J E CUSTOM</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="J E Custom, post: 1218771, member: 2736"] The factory Weatherby brake and Vias brakes are not very good at reducing recoil. I can see you getting around 50% recoil reduction with those. The better baffled brakes kick the crap out of any drilled hole brake. Just about any muzzle brake test on YouTube will show that. I tested a drilled hole brake on my 300 Weatherby in the video above. It travels 20" with the drilled hole brake versus about 11" with my Beast brake and 37" with no brake.[/QUOTE] The Weatherby Brake and the Vias were the only ones that actually met there advertised recoil reduction By percent. I have to give them kudos for telling the truth. There were lots of other brakes that did not even come close to ether one and made claims of much more, some even claimed more than possible . Most brakes fall below 40% and some reduced recoil under 20 % the problem is that people can feel even 20% and perceive that It feels like it is cut in half and there lies the problem, perception is not the same as an actual measurement. I am not knocking your test bed so don't take it that way. you at least took the time and effort to build a test bed to do some testing for your self. with the total mass of your sled(The part that moves, +the rifle weight and the hanging weights there is so much inertia to over come and momentum to stop you will have trouble getting real recoil values. Travel is dependent on so many different factors that it will not give consistent recoil numbers. In our research we ruled out any device that had to overcome inertia and momentum. the oldest way of measuring impact energy was hundreds of years old (The ballistic pendulum) and it has been proven to be inaccurate by a large percent. Your device is ok for a comparison as long as you don't change anything but it will not give true recoil values/numbers. I like the fact that you took the time to build something for your test. Most people only use perception and some don't like anything that they don't have. so if someone does not believe me, I cant change that. I didn't design my brake to sell to the general public I though that some of the membership would like something better If I could build it. In fact I started out trying to tame the M82A1 50 caliber and reduce the muzzle blast/signature. and went from there. For the record, Lots of "My" beliefs were proven wrong and we had to think out of the box to solve many of the issues. On a side note: just for the record, I to believed that Ported brakes were superior to drilled brakes because of the testing we did and some of my old beliefs, and that bugged me after we got the ported brake to max possible recoil reduction I could not leave the radial brake alone. after trying what we knew and had learned about the Ported brake we started messing with the radial brake and found that the rules were "Not" the same. with lots of prototypes and testing we have bumped the radial up to the same recoil reduction as the ported brake and are about to do a video for a comparison. Interestingly enough, DB volume was the toughest nut to crack. Again this is a hobby and I do it for fun I am not interested in selling to the public (To old to start another business) and just like helping out my friends. J E CUSTOM [/QUOTE]
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