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<blockquote data-quote="Orange Dust" data-source="post: 1527075" data-attributes="member: 92702"><p>When using mpbr you learn where to hold on close shots when you need more precision. On big game midrange doesn't matter really it is still a killing shot. The 3" high is a little lower than mpbr listed in the reloading manuals. Using this method you can hold center to at least 350 and kill the animal. This is what the OP was asking, and we all used this method before rangefinder. the old way was if you were shooting a magnum and if you could see legs moving when an animal was walking without magnification he was close enough. Worked well, and could consistently kill deer to about 400 with a flat shooting magnum. Still use it today, and have figured in my ballistics program. Point and shoot if under 400. Often you dont have much time close a mb d it's just point and shoot. YMMV, but it is close enough to kill the animal every time. Precision becomes necessary when you are shooting further than this and the bullet has bled off a lot of energy and wound channels are smaller. With magnums this always works. With a little gun you are starting out with less energy and smaller wound channels and have to learn to hold below center at midrange. If the animal is a little small pretty easy to hit in never never land between the lungs and spine at around 175 if you hold center, you have to hold lower 1/3 to hit center. With a magnum it makes absolutely no difference.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Orange Dust, post: 1527075, member: 92702"] When using mpbr you learn where to hold on close shots when you need more precision. On big game midrange doesn't matter really it is still a killing shot. The 3" high is a little lower than mpbr listed in the reloading manuals. Using this method you can hold center to at least 350 and kill the animal. This is what the OP was asking, and we all used this method before rangefinder. the old way was if you were shooting a magnum and if you could see legs moving when an animal was walking without magnification he was close enough. Worked well, and could consistently kill deer to about 400 with a flat shooting magnum. Still use it today, and have figured in my ballistics program. Point and shoot if under 400. Often you dont have much time close a mb d it's just point and shoot. YMMV, but it is close enough to kill the animal every time. Precision becomes necessary when you are shooting further than this and the bullet has bled off a lot of energy and wound channels are smaller. With magnums this always works. With a little gun you are starting out with less energy and smaller wound channels and have to learn to hold below center at midrange. If the animal is a little small pretty easy to hit in never never land between the lungs and spine at around 175 if you hold center, you have to hold lower 1/3 to hit center. With a magnum it makes absolutely no difference. [/QUOTE]
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