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<blockquote data-quote="johnlittletree" data-source="post: 1486134" data-attributes="member: 105653"><p>Ok I am a big boy 6 foot 1 played college football so when I say big I mean big. In fact when my wifes co-workers or customer (she is a chef) they always tell her when I leave "Wow you are not kidding your husband is a big boy!".....Why does this matter? One of my Brother in laws is a fantastic hunter prob. started hunting even younger than he could drive a tractor multiple African hunts etc...! That said he is 5 foot 5 145lbs. His fairly light weight Remington in 300 Win Mag beats the snot out of him on Mountain Hunts. This guy his fit, strong and muscular but the combination of light weight and 300 Win Mag not his best combo! </p><p></p><p>So I know you said 300WSM not Win Mag. That said if you do not need that much cartridge I would not use that much not if you are walking up and down these mountains or riding on horse back. The second you add "mag" after anything you limit your options in terms of barrel length and you almost always end up with a sharper recoil pulse. Under stand by sharper I do not always mean more recoil rather the amount of time that that recoil energy is applied to the rest of the rifle and you. A shorter recoil pulse feel like a hard recoil no matter what the energy says and a longer recoil pulse feels more like a push not a kick! Again the peak energy does not always = perceived recoil! As soon as you go magnum you need more barrel to allow for complete powder burn and useful expansion. If you go too short you waste powder and velocity of the magnum, you make more noise and get a huge fire ball at the end of the barrel for nothing really gained and you wear out the throat sooner by using a magnum over a non magnum. </p><p></p><p>I shoot a 32 inch AMU Profile Brux Barrel on my F-Class rifle but I would never want to carry a rifle that long for hunting ever. You would also never see me with a bipod on a Mount Rifle. I would want a good sling and a good set of light weight shooting sticks and maybe a boot sock or two filled with rice or beans or small fish tank gravel etc.... I have never in my 45 years on this earth having hunted in the USA, Europe and Africa ever seen a real hunter with a bibod on their hunting rifle. Sure I see them in the various magazines but never in real life. Imagine if you will a town of 1000 people and 880 of them hunt that is where my wife comes from! Even in that setting never seen anyone hunt medium to large game with a bipod. I am prob. just old fashioned but it is a bit mall-ninja-ish! </p><p></p><p>Do you really take a shooting mat with you on a big game hunt and find time to put it down with out being seen? </p><p></p><p>Very nice looking rifle though! </p><p></p><p>My Favorite Mountain Rifle is built on a Mauser 98 Action with a 1:8 twist 29 inch finished length Bergara SS #3 or #2 in 30-06. It is stocked in a very light weight Walnut stock made by me. You know normal stuff on the Mauser 98 everything true and concentric as possible. Quasi Pillar bedding and glass bedding. Not sure if that one has a 20 or 30 MOA base??? Sense it is a hunting rifle and not as competition rifle I went with a cheaper Weaver Super Slam 3-15x50 that I got a really good deal on. I usually tend to go cheap on hunting scopes always going with name brand gear but normally in the $300-$600 range. Why? I just do not need the same level of clarity to put a big piece of lead wrapped in copper into an Elk as compared to trying to win in a competition where group size matter above everything else and consistency trumps everything other than wind reading! With the Elk I just need to put that bullet into it's lungs and the rest is just a matter of time. </p><p></p><p>When it comes to muzzle breaks they make great sense if you plan on firing 60+ rounds from a bench or prone even though few places let you use them in competition. How many rounds do you expect to fire in day of hunting with a 300+ Super Whamy Wiz Bang Magnum in one day of hunting big game since no one hunts rabbits with a center fire magnum? If a rifle came with one from the factory like the old Browning A-Bolt with Boss I would leave it on but I would never have a real hunting rifle threaded for one especially not a mountain rifle were weight is the enemy. You typically get 3-5 rounds in most hunting rifles excluding ones designed to hunt humans! Your second and third shot will never be as good as your first shot so why bother with a muzzle break on a rifle designed specifically for mountain use? Looks a bit "Tactic-Cool" to me maybe a bit too much for my taste.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="johnlittletree, post: 1486134, member: 105653"] Ok I am a big boy 6 foot 1 played college football so when I say big I mean big. In fact when my wifes co-workers or customer (she is a chef) they always tell her when I leave "Wow you are not kidding your husband is a big boy!".....Why does this matter? One of my Brother in laws is a fantastic hunter prob. started hunting even younger than he could drive a tractor multiple African hunts etc...! That said he is 5 foot 5 145lbs. His fairly light weight Remington in 300 Win Mag beats the snot out of him on Mountain Hunts. This guy his fit, strong and muscular but the combination of light weight and 300 Win Mag not his best combo! So I know you said 300WSM not Win Mag. That said if you do not need that much cartridge I would not use that much not if you are walking up and down these mountains or riding on horse back. The second you add "mag" after anything you limit your options in terms of barrel length and you almost always end up with a sharper recoil pulse. Under stand by sharper I do not always mean more recoil rather the amount of time that that recoil energy is applied to the rest of the rifle and you. A shorter recoil pulse feel like a hard recoil no matter what the energy says and a longer recoil pulse feels more like a push not a kick! Again the peak energy does not always = perceived recoil! As soon as you go magnum you need more barrel to allow for complete powder burn and useful expansion. If you go too short you waste powder and velocity of the magnum, you make more noise and get a huge fire ball at the end of the barrel for nothing really gained and you wear out the throat sooner by using a magnum over a non magnum. I shoot a 32 inch AMU Profile Brux Barrel on my F-Class rifle but I would never want to carry a rifle that long for hunting ever. You would also never see me with a bipod on a Mount Rifle. I would want a good sling and a good set of light weight shooting sticks and maybe a boot sock or two filled with rice or beans or small fish tank gravel etc.... I have never in my 45 years on this earth having hunted in the USA, Europe and Africa ever seen a real hunter with a bibod on their hunting rifle. Sure I see them in the various magazines but never in real life. Imagine if you will a town of 1000 people and 880 of them hunt that is where my wife comes from! Even in that setting never seen anyone hunt medium to large game with a bipod. I am prob. just old fashioned but it is a bit mall-ninja-ish! Do you really take a shooting mat with you on a big game hunt and find time to put it down with out being seen? Very nice looking rifle though! My Favorite Mountain Rifle is built on a Mauser 98 Action with a 1:8 twist 29 inch finished length Bergara SS #3 or #2 in 30-06. It is stocked in a very light weight Walnut stock made by me. You know normal stuff on the Mauser 98 everything true and concentric as possible. Quasi Pillar bedding and glass bedding. Not sure if that one has a 20 or 30 MOA base??? Sense it is a hunting rifle and not as competition rifle I went with a cheaper Weaver Super Slam 3-15x50 that I got a really good deal on. I usually tend to go cheap on hunting scopes always going with name brand gear but normally in the $300-$600 range. Why? I just do not need the same level of clarity to put a big piece of lead wrapped in copper into an Elk as compared to trying to win in a competition where group size matter above everything else and consistency trumps everything other than wind reading! With the Elk I just need to put that bullet into it's lungs and the rest is just a matter of time. When it comes to muzzle breaks they make great sense if you plan on firing 60+ rounds from a bench or prone even though few places let you use them in competition. How many rounds do you expect to fire in day of hunting with a 300+ Super Whamy Wiz Bang Magnum in one day of hunting big game since no one hunts rabbits with a center fire magnum? If a rifle came with one from the factory like the old Browning A-Bolt with Boss I would leave it on but I would never have a real hunting rifle threaded for one especially not a mountain rifle were weight is the enemy. You typically get 3-5 rounds in most hunting rifles excluding ones designed to hunt humans! Your second and third shot will never be as good as your first shot so why bother with a muzzle break on a rifle designed specifically for mountain use? Looks a bit "Tactic-Cool" to me maybe a bit too much for my taste. [/QUOTE]
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