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<blockquote data-quote="Dean2" data-source="post: 1610411" data-attributes="member: 26077"><p>Interesting discussion but it is completely academic. I have shot literally many hundreds of bears with every lever caliber made. The 45/70 with 350 grain Horn RN at 1800 fps is all the lever gun you will ever need to kill any bear walking, black, griz, polar or Kodiak. I have shot them from 1400 fps to 2200 fps and the sweet spot is about 1800-1900 fps. Yes you can make them go faster and produce more calculated ME but they don't kill any better.</p><p></p><p>Big bores kill by making a BIG hole and penetrating all the way through a bear or moose, no matter what angle they are shot from. I have shot moose from the front and the bullet exited out the backside of the animal. There is no hydrostatic shock with one of these big bullets so the lower recoil from a slightly slower round makes for far faster second shots. Of the hundreds of bears I shot with a 45/70 very few needed a second round. Tens of thousands of Buffalo died from 45/70s shot at 1300 fps. They are also extremely accurate.</p><p></p><p>It is an interesting discussion to discuss just how big a lever gun has ever been made but the 405 and 45/70 is more than enough gun for anything on the planet.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/2Z8ODv1h.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/XFIuxSlh.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dean2, post: 1610411, member: 26077"] Interesting discussion but it is completely academic. I have shot literally many hundreds of bears with every lever caliber made. The 45/70 with 350 grain Horn RN at 1800 fps is all the lever gun you will ever need to kill any bear walking, black, griz, polar or Kodiak. I have shot them from 1400 fps to 2200 fps and the sweet spot is about 1800-1900 fps. Yes you can make them go faster and produce more calculated ME but they don't kill any better. Big bores kill by making a BIG hole and penetrating all the way through a bear or moose, no matter what angle they are shot from. I have shot moose from the front and the bullet exited out the backside of the animal. There is no hydrostatic shock with one of these big bullets so the lower recoil from a slightly slower round makes for far faster second shots. Of the hundreds of bears I shot with a 45/70 very few needed a second round. Tens of thousands of Buffalo died from 45/70s shot at 1300 fps. They are also extremely accurate. It is an interesting discussion to discuss just how big a lever gun has ever been made but the 405 and 45/70 is more than enough gun for anything on the planet. [img]https://i.imgur.com/2Z8ODv1h.jpg[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/XFIuxSlh.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE]
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