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<blockquote data-quote="Konrad" data-source="post: 570659" data-attributes="member: 26549"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">To begin with, I would be hesitant in shooting elk at 90 yards with an arrow of ANY configuration from ANY contemporary launch platform, regardless of draw weight. This discussion focuses more on ammunition than launch platforms.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If you are wedded to the idea, the thinnest, heaviest, stiffest arrow your sight elevation will handle would be my starting point. Concentrating on speed alone ignores basic physics issues related to flying projectiles. In exactly the same way we find long, heavy bullets performing better than short, light bullets at one thousand yards, archery projectiles exhibit the same properties.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">While a heavy projectile will start off at a lower velocity (comparatively speaking) that same heavy round will retain more of it's velocity at extended ranges. The main concerns with heavy archery projectiles relates to time-of-flight (i.e. wind effects, trajectory and target movement during projectile flight…"string jumping").</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If you are having tuning issues with your Swichback, I would first reconsider the shaft spine you are using. As was stated earlier, application of a helical fletching also adds to stability/accuracy at any range and Forward of Center balancing should also be considered strongly (starting at about 18%). As to broadhead selection: I have had excellent results from the Magnus Stinger two bladed broadhead, even at ranges of 60 yards (my effective range). </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Your endeavors aimed at heavy-bodied animals (elk) at maximum ranges also would dictate a broadhead design that imparts the highest levels of penetration using the lowest levels of energy (velocity). It is well proven a two bladed design penetrates better than other designs regardless of impact velocity. I make this suggestion in exactly the same way as if one were using a 40 pound bow at closer ranges on thin-skinned targets. Regardless of the bow you settle on, your effective velocity at the ranges you are describing will be equivalent to those generated by lighter draw weight bows at close range. Once again, I will mention shaft spine. Another proven fact: In arrows with all other specs being the same except spine, the stiffer shaft will penetrate more deeply than a shaft that is more flexible.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Reliable penetration is the name of the game when pursuing elk sized targets at any range. The distances you are contemplating makes penetration potential even more important…even should you be forced into the sacrifice of a small level of accuracy.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In conclusion, might I suggest you dust off that lever actioned 30-30 if you really want that critter at one hundred yards instead of using a bow???</span></span></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.eastonarchery.com/products/selection_hunting" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800080">http://www.eastonarchery.com/products/selection_hunting</span></span></span></a></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The above link is to Easton Technical Products shaft selector.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Easton's shafts are the only products I fool with any more.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Even if you never draw a bead on an animal at that range, long range shooting of archery is a wonderful pastime. The pros and Olympians regularly compete at 90 meters. They too use narrow, heavy for diameter, stiff shafts.</span></span></p><p> </p><p>Your comments regarding point of impact changing at differing ranges (right left) suggests your arrow rest is not in alignment with the center of pressure being generated by the bow (center shot). Also, third axis leveling is critical at the ranges you are attempting due to the radical elevation angles required to hit at those ranges. This can be related to the problems encountered by those who shoot at extreme angles from tree stands or in mountainous areas.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Konrad, post: 570659, member: 26549"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]To begin with, I would be hesitant in shooting elk at 90 yards with an arrow of ANY configuration from ANY contemporary launch platform, regardless of draw weight. This discussion focuses more on ammunition than launch platforms.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]If you are wedded to the idea, the thinnest, heaviest, stiffest arrow your sight elevation will handle would be my starting point. Concentrating on speed alone ignores basic physics issues related to flying projectiles. In exactly the same way we find long, heavy bullets performing better than short, light bullets at one thousand yards, archery projectiles exhibit the same properties.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]While a heavy projectile will start off at a lower velocity (comparatively speaking) that same heavy round will retain more of it’s velocity at extended ranges. The main concerns with heavy archery projectiles relates to time-of-flight (i.e. wind effects, trajectory and target movement during projectile flight…”string jumping”).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]If you are having tuning issues with your Swichback, I would first reconsider the shaft spine you are using. As was stated earlier, application of a helical fletching also adds to stability/accuracy at any range and Forward of Center balancing should also be considered strongly (starting at about 18%). As to broadhead selection: I have had excellent results from the Magnus Stinger two bladed broadhead, even at ranges of 60 yards (my effective range). [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Your endeavors aimed at heavy-bodied animals (elk) at maximum ranges also would dictate a broadhead design that imparts the highest levels of penetration using the lowest levels of energy (velocity). It is well proven a two bladed design penetrates better than other designs regardless of impact velocity. I make this suggestion in exactly the same way as if one were using a 40 pound bow at closer ranges on thin-skinned targets. Regardless of the bow you settle on, your effective velocity at the ranges you are describing will be equivalent to those generated by lighter draw weight bows at close range. Once again, I will mention shaft spine. Another proven fact: In arrows with all other specs being the same except spine, the stiffer shaft will penetrate more deeply than a shaft that is more flexible.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Reliable penetration is the name of the game when pursuing elk sized targets at any range. The distances you are contemplating makes penetration potential even more important…even should you be forced into the sacrifice of a small level of accuracy.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]In conclusion, might I suggest you dust off that lever actioned 30-30 if you really want that critter at one hundred yards instead of using a bow???[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [URL="http://www.eastonarchery.com/products/selection_hunting"][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]http://www.eastonarchery.com/products/selection_hunting[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The above link is to Easton Technical Products shaft selector.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Easton’s shafts are the only products I fool with any more.[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Even if you never draw a bead on an animal at that range, long range shooting of archery is a wonderful pastime. The pros and Olympians regularly compete at 90 meters. They too use narrow, heavy for diameter, stiff shafts.[/FONT][/SIZE] Your comments regarding point of impact changing at differing ranges (right left) suggests your arrow rest is not in alignment with the center of pressure being generated by the bow (center shot). Also, third axis leveling is critical at the ranges you are attempting due to the radical elevation angles required to hit at those ranges. This can be related to the problems encountered by those who shoot at extreme angles from tree stands or in mountainous areas. [/QUOTE]
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