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<blockquote data-quote="Trickymissfit" data-source="post: 859809" data-attributes="member: 25383"><p>Believe it or not, I can remember three different CAR's. There was the one we normally think of with about a 12" barrel and the regular bird cage suppressor (might have been a 13" barrel). There was one that had a slightly shorter barrel with a little different suppressor, and then there was one with a short barrel that was about ten inches long. It had a long flash suppressor that looked like a miniature M14 flash suppressor. I had the middle one for awhile, and the gun was always messing up. Unburnt powder getting into he locking lugs was the problem. Plus one never wants a rifle that looks different! I preferred the standard M16. When we did an insertion, I would wrap the rifle and three bandoliers of 20 round mags inside two pill bags. These were held with shoe laces and a little black tape. Then after I put my ruck sack on, Randy or Top would strap it on my back just under the asbestos glove. I hated the CAR 15! SF teams used them a lot, but half still used basic M16's. Believe me these guys had their choice of any and everything out there. But never saw any SF guy carrying an AK47. I've seen them use everything from High Standard 22 short pistols to the oddest looking Browning 50 Cal I've ever seen. Even back then there was a constant rumor that the Army was working on a .277 version of the M16, but nothing ever materialized. I do know they did a lot of work with the 5.56 necked up to 6mm, and using an 85 grain bullet. In that theater we needed 100 yard knock down power, or something that would give a chest hit that lasted forever almost instantly. Even the 7.62x51 didn't offer that, as the round usually just blew right thru them. Still if the guy had a chest pack on it would often flip him. That new bullet may help to bridge that gap, but I think a 25 caliber bullet (ala Copper Head) weighing about 85 grains might be a better solution. Or maybe something like the 6.5TCU with a 100 grain bullet. The round works well in a 15" barrel, and will get around 2500 fps. Now I never shot anybody that got back up, but I always put three to four rounds in him. I was taught to think "adams apple", and they always said that if his fingers were moving, then shoot him again. I'm alive and well, so somebody knew his business.</p><p> </p><p>My original First Sargent was a border line idiot, and entered the combat zone on his first over seas tour. He nearly got me tagged five times in one week out on an LP, and I just wanted to frag him. But he went home right in the middle of Tet, and we got a hard nosed crusty guy that was an old man of about 37 years of age. He actually earned his diamonds in Korea! Was part of that bunch that MacArthur left behind on the Yalu River to hold off a gazillion Chinese. Like I said he was tough, and was probably the original prepper. First thing he did was to blow up that LP, and I was endeared to him for life. He took me all over the place, and the two of us nearly bought the farm more than once. He would survey the arena after the fact, and show us why things went wrong over here and right over there. Hated the M16! Saw him carry everything from an M2 carbine to a grease gun, but always took an M16 on insertions after our third or fourth trip. He probably humped a 140lb load everytime. He told that after Korea, he was never gonna run out of ammo and water again! He was serious about that. Had little if any use for butter bars, and you'd best have a hash mark on your sleeve, or you were rated right with the Privates. Ten months later I lost him (he did make a full recovery), and got a really nice black fellow that seemed to know his business. But not as good as Honeycutt. He went home, and we got a fourth one. I held him in suspect till I saw him earn a Silver Star on a howitzer. I see him once a year, and he's getting pretty frail now. That howitzer crew was KIA, and he scrounged up a 1st Lt, and somebody else to shoot. Then a kid showed up outta nowhere that was from the motor pool. They then showed the kid how to set fuses and cut powder. And shot WP with the minimum charge and time inside the perimeter. I seriously gained respect for him and the LT. The LT was shooting with his arm tied off. The third guy had two or three holes in him. Then a Sea Bee showed up, and actually asked what he could do (he'd been stranded out there for two or three days). He said he knew how to shoot that fifty sitting above and behind them. He died on that gun. The kid from the motor pool was opened up like a can opener from a rocket. He got his Silver Star in 2012. The Sea Bee has been put in for one as well. I learned a lot from that. Most everybody will step up if given the chance. They did an aerial recon around that base camp and counted 1100 bodies from the air. It ended up being close to 2,000 confirmed dead. But they never got past that little base camp! </p><p>gary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Trickymissfit, post: 859809, member: 25383"] Believe it or not, I can remember three different CAR's. There was the one we normally think of with about a 12" barrel and the regular bird cage suppressor (might have been a 13" barrel). There was one that had a slightly shorter barrel with a little different suppressor, and then there was one with a short barrel that was about ten inches long. It had a long flash suppressor that looked like a miniature M14 flash suppressor. I had the middle one for awhile, and the gun was always messing up. Unburnt powder getting into he locking lugs was the problem. Plus one never wants a rifle that looks different! I preferred the standard M16. When we did an insertion, I would wrap the rifle and three bandoliers of 20 round mags inside two pill bags. These were held with shoe laces and a little black tape. Then after I put my ruck sack on, Randy or Top would strap it on my back just under the asbestos glove. I hated the CAR 15! SF teams used them a lot, but half still used basic M16's. Believe me these guys had their choice of any and everything out there. But never saw any SF guy carrying an AK47. I've seen them use everything from High Standard 22 short pistols to the oddest looking Browning 50 Cal I've ever seen. Even back then there was a constant rumor that the Army was working on a .277 version of the M16, but nothing ever materialized. I do know they did a lot of work with the 5.56 necked up to 6mm, and using an 85 grain bullet. In that theater we needed 100 yard knock down power, or something that would give a chest hit that lasted forever almost instantly. Even the 7.62x51 didn't offer that, as the round usually just blew right thru them. Still if the guy had a chest pack on it would often flip him. That new bullet may help to bridge that gap, but I think a 25 caliber bullet (ala Copper Head) weighing about 85 grains might be a better solution. Or maybe something like the 6.5TCU with a 100 grain bullet. The round works well in a 15" barrel, and will get around 2500 fps. Now I never shot anybody that got back up, but I always put three to four rounds in him. I was taught to think "adams apple", and they always said that if his fingers were moving, then shoot him again. I'm alive and well, so somebody knew his business. My original First Sargent was a border line idiot, and entered the combat zone on his first over seas tour. He nearly got me tagged five times in one week out on an LP, and I just wanted to frag him. But he went home right in the middle of Tet, and we got a hard nosed crusty guy that was an old man of about 37 years of age. He actually earned his diamonds in Korea! Was part of that bunch that MacArthur left behind on the Yalu River to hold off a gazillion Chinese. Like I said he was tough, and was probably the original prepper. First thing he did was to blow up that LP, and I was endeared to him for life. He took me all over the place, and the two of us nearly bought the farm more than once. He would survey the arena after the fact, and show us why things went wrong over here and right over there. Hated the M16! Saw him carry everything from an M2 carbine to a grease gun, but always took an M16 on insertions after our third or fourth trip. He probably humped a 140lb load everytime. He told that after Korea, he was never gonna run out of ammo and water again! He was serious about that. Had little if any use for butter bars, and you'd best have a hash mark on your sleeve, or you were rated right with the Privates. Ten months later I lost him (he did make a full recovery), and got a really nice black fellow that seemed to know his business. But not as good as Honeycutt. He went home, and we got a fourth one. I held him in suspect till I saw him earn a Silver Star on a howitzer. I see him once a year, and he's getting pretty frail now. That howitzer crew was KIA, and he scrounged up a 1st Lt, and somebody else to shoot. Then a kid showed up outta nowhere that was from the motor pool. They then showed the kid how to set fuses and cut powder. And shot WP with the minimum charge and time inside the perimeter. I seriously gained respect for him and the LT. The LT was shooting with his arm tied off. The third guy had two or three holes in him. Then a Sea Bee showed up, and actually asked what he could do (he'd been stranded out there for two or three days). He said he knew how to shoot that fifty sitting above and behind them. He died on that gun. The kid from the motor pool was opened up like a can opener from a rocket. He got his Silver Star in 2012. The Sea Bee has been put in for one as well. I learned a lot from that. Most everybody will step up if given the chance. They did an aerial recon around that base camp and counted 1100 bodies from the air. It ended up being close to 2,000 confirmed dead. But they never got past that little base camp! gary [/QUOTE]
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