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Mil-Dot vs Mrad hash reticle
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<blockquote data-quote="FearNoWind" data-source="post: 1003158" data-attributes="member: 50867"><p>Well, this is a forum about sharing opinions and each of us has our own. There are those who will disagree with mine but, for what it's worth, here it is:</p><p>Referring to second focal plane scopes:</p><p>For mildot scopes, the "standard" for spacing is usually accepted to be 3.6 inches, center to center, between dots. That works at only one level of magnification, usually the highest level for the scope that is so equiped. But some scopes, specifically the Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20, is one mil (3.6 inches) at 10 power. On its highest power it is 1.8 mils. The turrets on the Zeiss and most other common scopes are graduated at about 1/4 moa per click.</p><p>So, although 1 mil still equals 1 mil at any given distance, its relevance depends on the scope manufacturer's design and the level of magnification.</p><p>If my dope sheet tells me that my target demands a 2mil correction I am forced to either make the adjustment in the turrets or select a point on the cross hair that corresponds with that change. Selecting the correct dot is pretty easy of course. But turret input requires an adjustment of 28.8 clicks. So I settle for 29 clicks. But to get there I have to know that 2mils = 7.2 inches, multiplied by 4 = 28.8 clicks.</p><p>When I rely on moa reticles and my dope sheet tells me I need 2 moa of elevation for the shot I simply multiply the 2 moa by 4 and move the turret 8 clicks and I'm on target. If I elect to use the moa reticle markings I know that 2moa at 100 yards is still 2moa at 600 yards and selecting the mark that corresponds with that point on the reticle puts me on target more quickly and my reliably.</p><p>If the turrets were graduated in mils things might be easier. But if I have to convert mils to moa anyway I may as well stick with the system that is most comfortable for me. But most of my shooting is competitive target. My hunting days are few and far between at this point in my life. "Hold over" isn't very useful in long distance target competition.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FearNoWind, post: 1003158, member: 50867"] Well, this is a forum about sharing opinions and each of us has our own. There are those who will disagree with mine but, for what it's worth, here it is: Referring to second focal plane scopes: For mildot scopes, the "standard" for spacing is usually accepted to be 3.6 inches, center to center, between dots. That works at only one level of magnification, usually the highest level for the scope that is so equiped. But some scopes, specifically the Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20, is one mil (3.6 inches) at 10 power. On its highest power it is 1.8 mils. The turrets on the Zeiss and most other common scopes are graduated at about 1/4 moa per click. So, although 1 mil still equals 1 mil at any given distance, its relevance depends on the scope manufacturer's design and the level of magnification. If my dope sheet tells me that my target demands a 2mil correction I am forced to either make the adjustment in the turrets or select a point on the cross hair that corresponds with that change. Selecting the correct dot is pretty easy of course. But turret input requires an adjustment of 28.8 clicks. So I settle for 29 clicks. But to get there I have to know that 2mils = 7.2 inches, multiplied by 4 = 28.8 clicks. When I rely on moa reticles and my dope sheet tells me I need 2 moa of elevation for the shot I simply multiply the 2 moa by 4 and move the turret 8 clicks and I'm on target. If I elect to use the moa reticle markings I know that 2moa at 100 yards is still 2moa at 600 yards and selecting the mark that corresponds with that point on the reticle puts me on target more quickly and my reliably. If the turrets were graduated in mils things might be easier. But if I have to convert mils to moa anyway I may as well stick with the system that is most comfortable for me. But most of my shooting is competitive target. My hunting days are few and far between at this point in my life. "Hold over" isn't very useful in long distance target competition. [/QUOTE]
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