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Midweight 7's in a SA Savage
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<blockquote data-quote="AZShooter" data-source="post: 2001695" data-attributes="member: 5219"><p>As a long time owner of the 284 win I can share some details in favor of this chambering. </p><p></p><p>There is brass available. Even Winchester brass shows up from time to time. If things get bad you could always neck up Lapua 6.5-284 brass</p><p></p><p>Working with a 2.990" magazine limit is not bad. As you know the original OAL is 2.8". You should be able to use a decent range of bullet weights from 168 gr on down. IMO anything heavier will begin to impinge on the internal powder space. Quite frankly the performance you will get with a 168 high BC bullet vs a 180 high BC bullet will be almost identical in regards to wind drift and retained energy.</p><p></p><p>In the past 20 years I have moved towards custom reamers and the 284 win is included. I opted to turn the necks. The reamer has a .317 neck. Throat angle is 1 1/2 degrees. I set mine up for a 168 Berger VLD to engage the lands .010" with an OAL that is just under 3.050". "Regular" hunting bullets , even the 120 nosler ballistic tip, work fine with this configuration. I am certain you could do something similar for your slightly shorter mag box. </p><p></p><p>As to performance, the 284 Win walks away from your other choice in a bolt action rifle. The original rifles offered in this chambering were the Win 100 autoloader and the model 88 lever action as result the published load data is a bit anemic. There are two powders that have worked well for me. While the original powder of choice was IMR 4350 and I used my share, H4350 is a better choice because it fits better and is more temperature stable. RL-17 is another great powder that will yield higher velocities due to its longer burning curve. It is my current choice. 52 gr of RL-17 and the 168 VLD yields 2925 fps from a 23 1/2" barrel. For grins I seated a 120 nos bt without changing seating die, it was accurate and very fast. I won't mention the load but PM me for all sorts of details on what you can expect with it and a variety of other hunting bullets. </p><p></p><p>The 284 win's case design was far ahead of its time when it was introduced in 1963. It has the best attributes of today's modern cases. 35 degree shoulder minimum body taper and plenty of case capacity for such a short case. I sectioned a win case and compared the web to a winchester case in 300 win mag, the web was thicker on the 284 win! If there is any complaint the winchester 284 brass often has necks that are often thicker on one area which is why I turn them. </p><p></p><p>Let us know what you end up doing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AZShooter, post: 2001695, member: 5219"] As a long time owner of the 284 win I can share some details in favor of this chambering. There is brass available. Even Winchester brass shows up from time to time. If things get bad you could always neck up Lapua 6.5-284 brass Working with a 2.990" magazine limit is not bad. As you know the original OAL is 2.8". You should be able to use a decent range of bullet weights from 168 gr on down. IMO anything heavier will begin to impinge on the internal powder space. Quite frankly the performance you will get with a 168 high BC bullet vs a 180 high BC bullet will be almost identical in regards to wind drift and retained energy. In the past 20 years I have moved towards custom reamers and the 284 win is included. I opted to turn the necks. The reamer has a .317 neck. Throat angle is 1 1/2 degrees. I set mine up for a 168 Berger VLD to engage the lands .010" with an OAL that is just under 3.050". "Regular" hunting bullets , even the 120 nosler ballistic tip, work fine with this configuration. I am certain you could do something similar for your slightly shorter mag box. As to performance, the 284 Win walks away from your other choice in a bolt action rifle. The original rifles offered in this chambering were the Win 100 autoloader and the model 88 lever action as result the published load data is a bit anemic. There are two powders that have worked well for me. While the original powder of choice was IMR 4350 and I used my share, H4350 is a better choice because it fits better and is more temperature stable. RL-17 is another great powder that will yield higher velocities due to its longer burning curve. It is my current choice. 52 gr of RL-17 and the 168 VLD yields 2925 fps from a 23 1/2" barrel. For grins I seated a 120 nos bt without changing seating die, it was accurate and very fast. I won't mention the load but PM me for all sorts of details on what you can expect with it and a variety of other hunting bullets. The 284 win's case design was far ahead of its time when it was introduced in 1963. It has the best attributes of today's modern cases. 35 degree shoulder minimum body taper and plenty of case capacity for such a short case. I sectioned a win case and compared the web to a winchester case in 300 win mag, the web was thicker on the 284 win! If there is any complaint the winchester 284 brass often has necks that are often thicker on one area which is why I turn them. Let us know what you end up doing. [/QUOTE]
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