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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 13187" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>Shawn,</p><p></p><p>I have been reading alot of posts about your 338 EDGE and from one long range gunsmith to another I am very impressed with your products!</p><p></p><p>I tested some of the 300 gr Wildcat ULD Rebated Boattails(hunting version) in my 338 Kahn and was very impressed with the accruacy and consistancy of that batch of bullets.</p><p></p><p>I was only able to test at 100 and 500 yards before the big game season rush hit but at both ranges they out shot the best averages the 300 SMK printed at the same range. Not by a huge margin, at 500 yards the SMK averaged 1.433" for three shot groups and the Wildcat bullets averaged 1.015" for the same number of three shot groups averaged.</p><p></p><p>Also, comparing bullet drop between 100 and 500 yards, I would say the B.C. given for these bullets are pretty close to right on. They shot measureably flatter then the SMK at 500 yards.</p><p></p><p>The batch I had were .3385" in diameter and my I cut my throat to .3383" so they are a little fat for my barrel. Richard Graves agreed to make some true .3380" bullets of the same models in both hunting and match. He has the reducing die and says the consistancy of this die is flat out amazing. He had some problems with the nose forming die I believe so that is the hold up at this time.</p><p></p><p>I have just had my 338 Kahn waiting in the wings for his bullets. He is also building the 350 gr version with a B.C. expected to be in the .930 range!!!</p><p></p><p>My Kahn drives the 300 gr versions to 3100 fps so I am hopign for 2800 fps with the 350's. If they stabilize in my 1-9 twist(???) I will throat my Kahn for use with this extremely heavy 350 gr bullet. If not I will stick to the 300 gr version and be totally satisfied.</p><p></p><p>In the smaller calibers I have tested the 100 and 130 gr .257 Bonded Core FBHPs extensively in teh 257 STW as a warm up to my Allen Magnum round in 257.</p><p></p><p>The 100 gr pill would be a perfect premium bullet for the 25-06 out to 400 yards which I feel is about max for deer size game with this bullet weight.</p><p></p><p>My wife used this bullet driven to 4000 fps for her pronghorn and at the range she shot her goat the impact velocity was still in the 3700 fps level, basically the 257 Wby at the muzzle. The bullet did not exit but it did make it to the off side of the pronghorn and did damage like I had never seen before.</p><p></p><p>They are consistant in weight and diameter as well.</p><p></p><p>I would say the Wildcat Match style bullets have an edge in weight and diameter consistancy but that should be obvious. still the bonded Core FBHP bullets are very quality and accurate.</p><p></p><p>In teh 257 STW, the 100 gr pill shoots into the .3's at 100 yards and in the 1 3/4" range at 500 yards for three shot hunting groups.</p><p></p><p>The 130 gr version holds groups in the high .2's at 100 yards and groups in the 1 1/4" range at 500 yards. This is out of a #6, 30" barrel.</p><p></p><p>The only thing that may cause some problems is that the Wildcat hunting bullets tend to have a little variance in noe length which is common with all bullets except the tipped design.</p><p></p><p>If you measure off the ogive of the bullet instead of the nose liek you should there is no problem setting your over all length. If you take the OAL from base to nose, there will be problems.</p><p></p><p>Again I have not seen this in the match bullets.</p><p></p><p>Other things about the bullets I have found is that when starting load developement, they tend to not shoot well at all. Especially in the larger calibers or in any caliber that is using the heavy big game jackets.</p><p></p><p>I have talked with Richard and we both believe this is because the thick jackets run much better at high pressure. In fact from what I have seen, the harder they are pushed the better they shoot!</p><p></p><p>We feel this is because the thick jackets need a harder kick in the rear to bump up the jackets to get a good gas seal.</p><p></p><p>For instance I was testing the 190 gr Rebated Boat tail ULD hunting bullet in my 300 RUM. Initial starting loads were terrible, in the 4" range at 100 yards but with every load up I tested the groups tightened up until I was getting groups around the 1/2" range with just shy of 3300 fps. This is a factory rifle as well so I would expect groups of half that size in one of our full custom rigs.</p><p></p><p>I really have yet to find anything wrong with these bullets and the features they offer are exceptional in B.C. as well as S.D. </p><p></p><p>I will know vastly more here in a couple months once we get the other heavies tested in actual rifles but I have no worries in the least.</p><p></p><p>SO to answer your question about if I am happy with them, the only bullets I will be testing and using in my Allen Magnum rounds will be Wildcat Bullets. SImply because they will take these three rounds to levels I could not come close to with conventional facoty bullets.</p><p></p><p>I like them well enough to stake my rounds and rifle performance on.</p><p></p><p>Let me know how those big 300's shoot for you in your Kahn.</p><p></p><p>Richard is working on some very interesting ideas for the big 338s, if your interested drop me an e-mail or better yet drop him one and ask him about his new ideas in the 338 bullet selection, could be very interesting stuff!!</p><p></p><p>Good Shooting!!</p><p></p><p>By the way, what kind of price we looking at to come hunt whitetails with you???</p><p></p><p>I am a whitetail hunting fanatic would be interested about information about your hunts as I am just over the hills in central Montana.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the information, happy Thanksgiving!</p><p></p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 13187, member: 10"] Shawn, I have been reading alot of posts about your 338 EDGE and from one long range gunsmith to another I am very impressed with your products! I tested some of the 300 gr Wildcat ULD Rebated Boattails(hunting version) in my 338 Kahn and was very impressed with the accruacy and consistancy of that batch of bullets. I was only able to test at 100 and 500 yards before the big game season rush hit but at both ranges they out shot the best averages the 300 SMK printed at the same range. Not by a huge margin, at 500 yards the SMK averaged 1.433" for three shot groups and the Wildcat bullets averaged 1.015" for the same number of three shot groups averaged. Also, comparing bullet drop between 100 and 500 yards, I would say the B.C. given for these bullets are pretty close to right on. They shot measureably flatter then the SMK at 500 yards. The batch I had were .3385" in diameter and my I cut my throat to .3383" so they are a little fat for my barrel. Richard Graves agreed to make some true .3380" bullets of the same models in both hunting and match. He has the reducing die and says the consistancy of this die is flat out amazing. He had some problems with the nose forming die I believe so that is the hold up at this time. I have just had my 338 Kahn waiting in the wings for his bullets. He is also building the 350 gr version with a B.C. expected to be in the .930 range!!! My Kahn drives the 300 gr versions to 3100 fps so I am hopign for 2800 fps with the 350's. If they stabilize in my 1-9 twist(???) I will throat my Kahn for use with this extremely heavy 350 gr bullet. If not I will stick to the 300 gr version and be totally satisfied. In the smaller calibers I have tested the 100 and 130 gr .257 Bonded Core FBHPs extensively in teh 257 STW as a warm up to my Allen Magnum round in 257. The 100 gr pill would be a perfect premium bullet for the 25-06 out to 400 yards which I feel is about max for deer size game with this bullet weight. My wife used this bullet driven to 4000 fps for her pronghorn and at the range she shot her goat the impact velocity was still in the 3700 fps level, basically the 257 Wby at the muzzle. The bullet did not exit but it did make it to the off side of the pronghorn and did damage like I had never seen before. They are consistant in weight and diameter as well. I would say the Wildcat Match style bullets have an edge in weight and diameter consistancy but that should be obvious. still the bonded Core FBHP bullets are very quality and accurate. In teh 257 STW, the 100 gr pill shoots into the .3's at 100 yards and in the 1 3/4" range at 500 yards for three shot hunting groups. The 130 gr version holds groups in the high .2's at 100 yards and groups in the 1 1/4" range at 500 yards. This is out of a #6, 30" barrel. The only thing that may cause some problems is that the Wildcat hunting bullets tend to have a little variance in noe length which is common with all bullets except the tipped design. If you measure off the ogive of the bullet instead of the nose liek you should there is no problem setting your over all length. If you take the OAL from base to nose, there will be problems. Again I have not seen this in the match bullets. Other things about the bullets I have found is that when starting load developement, they tend to not shoot well at all. Especially in the larger calibers or in any caliber that is using the heavy big game jackets. I have talked with Richard and we both believe this is because the thick jackets run much better at high pressure. In fact from what I have seen, the harder they are pushed the better they shoot! We feel this is because the thick jackets need a harder kick in the rear to bump up the jackets to get a good gas seal. For instance I was testing the 190 gr Rebated Boat tail ULD hunting bullet in my 300 RUM. Initial starting loads were terrible, in the 4" range at 100 yards but with every load up I tested the groups tightened up until I was getting groups around the 1/2" range with just shy of 3300 fps. This is a factory rifle as well so I would expect groups of half that size in one of our full custom rigs. I really have yet to find anything wrong with these bullets and the features they offer are exceptional in B.C. as well as S.D. I will know vastly more here in a couple months once we get the other heavies tested in actual rifles but I have no worries in the least. SO to answer your question about if I am happy with them, the only bullets I will be testing and using in my Allen Magnum rounds will be Wildcat Bullets. SImply because they will take these three rounds to levels I could not come close to with conventional facoty bullets. I like them well enough to stake my rounds and rifle performance on. Let me know how those big 300's shoot for you in your Kahn. Richard is working on some very interesting ideas for the big 338s, if your interested drop me an e-mail or better yet drop him one and ask him about his new ideas in the 338 bullet selection, could be very interesting stuff!! Good Shooting!! By the way, what kind of price we looking at to come hunt whitetails with you??? I am a whitetail hunting fanatic would be interested about information about your hunts as I am just over the hills in central Montana. Thanks for the information, happy Thanksgiving! Kirby Allen(50) [/QUOTE]
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