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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 124135" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>In my opinion, max range has very little if anything to do with the chamber of the rifle in that if you are hunting elk and feel longer shots may be possible, you had darn well be carrying a rifle with plenty of bullet weight and velocity to get the job done from any angle you personally feel is an ethical shot.</p><p></p><p>A quality bullet needs to be used. Do not confuse "quality" with what are being called premium bullets now day. Premium bullets such as the swift A-frame or Fail safe or other similiar bullets are great terminally at moderate to close ranges. Their limits is bullet to bullet consistancy and accuracy at long range suffers as a rule.</p><p></p><p>When I say quality bullet for elk, I think heavy for caliber with a high Sectional Density. If you punch a hole through both lungs of a bull elk he is dead. If you punch the top of both shoulders you will clip both lungs, break both shoulder blades and more then likely shock the spine as well and a bull will drop in his tracks, most of the time.</p><p></p><p>Its putting that bullet through the vitals that is important and as long as the bullet will do so with at least some expansion I feel it is a quality bullet for the job of LR hunting.</p><p></p><p>I personally feel energy is a waste of time to use as a max range estimating tool. It just is to vauge of a thing to be really meaningful on determining how well a certain level of energy will put down a big game animal.</p><p></p><p>My general big game rifle at this point is my lightweight sporter 7mm AM. I shoot the 200 gr ULD RBBT to 3150 fps. Energy wise she is packing 2000 ft/lbs out to around 1160 yards. At a mile its still got 1250 ft/lbs and at 2000 yards over 1000 ft/lbs.</p><p></p><p>Does this mean that the rifle will cleanly take elk out to 1000 yards, probably pretty easily to be honest but how about deer out to a mile? The energy is more then enough, even out to 2000 yards but the rifle will not put the bullet consistantly enough into the vitals to make that shot.</p><p></p><p>In many cases you need to also consider the bullet you are using and its velocity perameters as in how it will perform as the velocity drops. If your using an X bullet at extreme range where the velocity drops to 1500 fps or less you will not get much expansion at all whereas an ACcubond at that same velocity will give much more positive and consistant expansion.</p><p></p><p>Consistantly being able to hit the vitals is really the only criteria that is critical in my opinion. If your hunting elk at long range, the bullet used and chamber of the rifle should be adiquate before you even go on the hunt.</p><p></p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 124135, member: 10"] In my opinion, max range has very little if anything to do with the chamber of the rifle in that if you are hunting elk and feel longer shots may be possible, you had darn well be carrying a rifle with plenty of bullet weight and velocity to get the job done from any angle you personally feel is an ethical shot. A quality bullet needs to be used. Do not confuse "quality" with what are being called premium bullets now day. Premium bullets such as the swift A-frame or Fail safe or other similiar bullets are great terminally at moderate to close ranges. Their limits is bullet to bullet consistancy and accuracy at long range suffers as a rule. When I say quality bullet for elk, I think heavy for caliber with a high Sectional Density. If you punch a hole through both lungs of a bull elk he is dead. If you punch the top of both shoulders you will clip both lungs, break both shoulder blades and more then likely shock the spine as well and a bull will drop in his tracks, most of the time. Its putting that bullet through the vitals that is important and as long as the bullet will do so with at least some expansion I feel it is a quality bullet for the job of LR hunting. I personally feel energy is a waste of time to use as a max range estimating tool. It just is to vauge of a thing to be really meaningful on determining how well a certain level of energy will put down a big game animal. My general big game rifle at this point is my lightweight sporter 7mm AM. I shoot the 200 gr ULD RBBT to 3150 fps. Energy wise she is packing 2000 ft/lbs out to around 1160 yards. At a mile its still got 1250 ft/lbs and at 2000 yards over 1000 ft/lbs. Does this mean that the rifle will cleanly take elk out to 1000 yards, probably pretty easily to be honest but how about deer out to a mile? The energy is more then enough, even out to 2000 yards but the rifle will not put the bullet consistantly enough into the vitals to make that shot. In many cases you need to also consider the bullet you are using and its velocity perameters as in how it will perform as the velocity drops. If your using an X bullet at extreme range where the velocity drops to 1500 fps or less you will not get much expansion at all whereas an ACcubond at that same velocity will give much more positive and consistant expansion. Consistantly being able to hit the vitals is really the only criteria that is critical in my opinion. If your hunting elk at long range, the bullet used and chamber of the rifle should be adiquate before you even go on the hunt. Kirby Allen(50) [/QUOTE]
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