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Mass Shootings - Why?
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<blockquote data-quote="P7M13" data-source="post: 2540754" data-attributes="member: 94154"><p>Interesting article, thank you for posting it. I would critique the study as it focused on test subjects exposed to static pictures. It seems they didn't have any sardonic or masochistic test subjects who would have reacted with "mmm, looks fun!" or "delicious!" to the images.</p><p>What I also see it didn't account for was the endocrine or adrenal response in the victims. I can say from experience that looking at static images, like coming across mutilated body parts in a criminal law text book, versus the cortisol inducing landscape of a first person shooter game, are completely different physiological and psychological responses.</p><p></p><p>Having been an extreme video gamer (>1000 hour per year) for ~10 years, playing extremely violent games exclusively, it was my addictive escape. The only upside to such gaming was the adrenaline made the pain of my arthritis go away. One of the downsides was my wife and children all say that I was a short tempered person for a length of time following a gaming session.</p><p></p><p>I think gun control legislation in response to the Uvalde incident is the stupid application of a band-aid to a sucking chest wound -- the bigger issue runs much deeper, and it's not guns.</p><p>What I wrote on NWFA:</p><p></p><p>vvvvvvvvvv start quote from NWFA vvvvvvvvvvv</p><p></p><p>Without writing a diatribe in an attempt to support my assertions, I'll just cut to the bullet points:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Freedom is a balancing act where choice is given to the individual, and every choice is one that takes you in the direction of good or evil. BUT, every choice does have effects in both realms.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Behavior is a reflection of the individual's genetics, their upbringing, and societal mores.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In 100 years, we may be able to tinker with genetics enough to identify personality and propensity traits of people, and ultrimately affect those of the child <em>in utero</em>.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Societal mores are deeply imbued in the first four years in the family, and reinforced (or altered) by subliminal and direct messages from society (i.e. teachers, adults, MSM and social media).</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I have long asserted that osmosis is one of the greatest forces in the universe, using a loose definition for the word force. A lot of what we see is the osmosis from the subliminal and direct messages by MSM and Social Media. From that, I assert that It is less the weapon's fault that a mass murder happens than it is the result of freedom of speech, which has greater effect on the individual wielding the weapon.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If society is truly wanting freedom, it would recognize that horrific outliers are the result of such freedom.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If society cannot accept those outliers, then it must accept that harsh limitations to those freedoms, including severe brutality as the consequential response to breaking those limits. I have long asserted, greater freedom demands greater brutality.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It would also recognize that limits to freedom of speech would have a greater effect on reducing "mass shootings" than limiting access to firearms.</li> </ul><p>I have worked decades in industries where processes are extremely hazardous and when things go nova, i.e. Chernobyl failure level, the area affected is measured in two or three digits of square miles, and there are lots of bodies to pull out. What do we do? We have multiple layers of safeguards in place, and we routinely check and test them. </p><p>The same applies to public safety.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Have plans which include passive protection, passive + active detection, and active response.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Regularly test and verify the passive systems, have notification in place when those systems are not working properly.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Train and test the active detection and response, quarterly, semi-annually, and annually.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Assiduously following the above would probably result in intercepting >99.999% of the outliers.</li> </ul><p></p><p>^^^^^^^^ end quote ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="P7M13, post: 2540754, member: 94154"] Interesting article, thank you for posting it. I would critique the study as it focused on test subjects exposed to static pictures. It seems they didn't have any sardonic or masochistic test subjects who would have reacted with "mmm, looks fun!" or "delicious!" to the images. What I also see it didn't account for was the endocrine or adrenal response in the victims. I can say from experience that looking at static images, like coming across mutilated body parts in a criminal law text book, versus the cortisol inducing landscape of a first person shooter game, are completely different physiological and psychological responses. Having been an extreme video gamer (>1000 hour per year) for ~10 years, playing extremely violent games exclusively, it was my addictive escape. The only upside to such gaming was the adrenaline made the pain of my arthritis go away. One of the downsides was my wife and children all say that I was a short tempered person for a length of time following a gaming session. I think gun control legislation in response to the Uvalde incident is the stupid application of a band-aid to a sucking chest wound -- the bigger issue runs much deeper, and it's not guns. What I wrote on NWFA: vvvvvvvvvv start quote from NWFA vvvvvvvvvvv Without writing a diatribe in an attempt to support my assertions, I'll just cut to the bullet points: [LIST] [*]Freedom is a balancing act where choice is given to the individual, and every choice is one that takes you in the direction of good or evil. BUT, every choice does have effects in both realms. [*]Behavior is a reflection of the individual's genetics, their upbringing, and societal mores. [LIST] [*]In 100 years, we may be able to tinker with genetics enough to identify personality and propensity traits of people, and ultrimately affect those of the child [I]in utero[/I]. [*]Societal mores are deeply imbued in the first four years in the family, and reinforced (or altered) by subliminal and direct messages from society (i.e. teachers, adults, MSM and social media). [/LIST] [*]I have long asserted that osmosis is one of the greatest forces in the universe, using a loose definition for the word force. A lot of what we see is the osmosis from the subliminal and direct messages by MSM and Social Media. From that, I assert that It is less the weapon's fault that a mass murder happens than it is the result of freedom of speech, which has greater effect on the individual wielding the weapon. [*]If society is truly wanting freedom, it would recognize that horrific outliers are the result of such freedom. [*]If society cannot accept those outliers, then it must accept that harsh limitations to those freedoms, including severe brutality as the consequential response to breaking those limits. I have long asserted, greater freedom demands greater brutality. [*]It would also recognize that limits to freedom of speech would have a greater effect on reducing "mass shootings" than limiting access to firearms. [/LIST] I have worked decades in industries where processes are extremely hazardous and when things go nova, i.e. Chernobyl failure level, the area affected is measured in two or three digits of square miles, and there are lots of bodies to pull out. What do we do? We have multiple layers of safeguards in place, and we routinely check and test them. The same applies to public safety. [LIST] [*]Have plans which include passive protection, passive + active detection, and active response. [*]Regularly test and verify the passive systems, have notification in place when those systems are not working properly. [*]Train and test the active detection and response, quarterly, semi-annually, and annually. [*]Assiduously following the above would probably result in intercepting >99.999% of the outliers. [/LIST] ^^^^^^^^ end quote ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [/QUOTE]
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