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<blockquote data-quote="daveosok" data-source="post: 24882"><p>I've been reading these posts about how this "anit-torque break" works and I'm about confused here also.</p><p>The only correlation I can see between accuracy and that lump of metal on the end of the barrel is changing the harmonic moment, much like the BOSS system does only I cant see if this break is positional on the barrel.</p><p>Now let me get this straight, firing pin hits primer, powder ignites, bullet travels down barrel and exits muzzle, at what point does this anit-torque increase accuracy?</p><p>In order to combat the effects of the torque in the first place wouldnt their need to be a force acting on it not after it? Are you telling us that the small precursor gas wave ahead of the bullet exiting has enough effect to overcome the torque</p><p>Seems to me its a bit like closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out.</p><p>I too have read Harold Vaughns book "Rifle Accuracy Facts" five or six times great reading and a lot of great scientific study put into it.</p><p>I think his method of drilling the action so that it is symetrical i.e. action mounting screw holes located on both the bottom and top and gas ports located on both sides along with his anit-recoil device proved to be more beneficial than any study he did on breaks. </p><p>I've built a few very effective breaks, and have drilled integeral breaks following the rifling, I saw an increase in accuracy, had nothing to do with barrel moment but less gas on the bullets tail when exiting the muzzle creating less "upsetting" gases.</p><p>I hope your not one of the guys who tells everyone that a fluted barrel is stiffer than a non fluted barrel, becuase it isnt, and Harold goes into great detail on that subject, even before reading that however I knew that to be true, I'm a machinist, anytime you remove metal from itself you weaken it, only thing it does do between non-fulted and fulted is less barrel droop under its own weight, but placing a ten pound weight on the end of identical barrels but one having fluting, the fluted barrel will sag more.</p><p>I see you are arguing Bounty Hunter over really far out non LONG RANGE HUNTING related stuff, I guess I was right, always like it when that happens.</p><p>Heres another thing,</p><p>A) Many of us here are not SNIEPRS</p><p>B) We are not "mission orientated"</p><p>C) I guess you could consider our game the ENEMY but more often that not Elk, White Tail, or Mulies dont carry weapons, its not the other way around here were arent going to be killed if we miss</p><p>D) Our equipment is nothing like SNIPER equipment, I doubt very much Darryl, Len, or Dave drag their large barreled rifle in an Eagle drag bag and dress up in Ghille suites crawling all over the rockies.</p><p>E) It would be best if you once again took notice of the forums name "LONG RANGE HUNTING"</p><p>F) The Elk, White Tail or Mulie wont run back to the heard for tactical ops against us if we miss a shot no need to fear for our lives.</p><p></p><p>"My hypocrisy knows no bounds"</p><p></p><p>I should use that as my departing statement, if I have taken anything away from this board since you graced its site that would be the one thing, a great ending line.</p><p>Thank you S1.</p><p></p><p> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="daveosok, post: 24882"] I've been reading these posts about how this "anit-torque break" works and I'm about confused here also. The only correlation I can see between accuracy and that lump of metal on the end of the barrel is changing the harmonic moment, much like the BOSS system does only I cant see if this break is positional on the barrel. Now let me get this straight, firing pin hits primer, powder ignites, bullet travels down barrel and exits muzzle, at what point does this anit-torque increase accuracy? In order to combat the effects of the torque in the first place wouldnt their need to be a force acting on it not after it? Are you telling us that the small precursor gas wave ahead of the bullet exiting has enough effect to overcome the torque Seems to me its a bit like closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out. I too have read Harold Vaughns book "Rifle Accuracy Facts" five or six times great reading and a lot of great scientific study put into it. I think his method of drilling the action so that it is symetrical i.e. action mounting screw holes located on both the bottom and top and gas ports located on both sides along with his anit-recoil device proved to be more beneficial than any study he did on breaks. I've built a few very effective breaks, and have drilled integeral breaks following the rifling, I saw an increase in accuracy, had nothing to do with barrel moment but less gas on the bullets tail when exiting the muzzle creating less "upsetting" gases. I hope your not one of the guys who tells everyone that a fluted barrel is stiffer than a non fluted barrel, becuase it isnt, and Harold goes into great detail on that subject, even before reading that however I knew that to be true, I'm a machinist, anytime you remove metal from itself you weaken it, only thing it does do between non-fulted and fulted is less barrel droop under its own weight, but placing a ten pound weight on the end of identical barrels but one having fluting, the fluted barrel will sag more. I see you are arguing Bounty Hunter over really far out non LONG RANGE HUNTING related stuff, I guess I was right, always like it when that happens. Heres another thing, A) Many of us here are not SNIEPRS B) We are not "mission orientated" C) I guess you could consider our game the ENEMY but more often that not Elk, White Tail, or Mulies dont carry weapons, its not the other way around here were arent going to be killed if we miss D) Our equipment is nothing like SNIPER equipment, I doubt very much Darryl, Len, or Dave drag their large barreled rifle in an Eagle drag bag and dress up in Ghille suites crawling all over the rockies. E) It would be best if you once again took notice of the forums name "LONG RANGE HUNTING" F) The Elk, White Tail or Mulie wont run back to the heard for tactical ops against us if we miss a shot no need to fear for our lives. "My hypocrisy knows no bounds" I should use that as my departing statement, if I have taken anything away from this board since you graced its site that would be the one thing, a great ending line. Thank you S1. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> [/QUOTE]
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